Inara: You don't have to die alone. Mal: Everybody dies alone.

'Out Of Gas'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Fred Pete - Aug 04, 2003 6:38:28 am PDT #4169 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I think Joyce knew something was up with Buffy, and she'd changed around her 15th birthday.

Certainly by "School Hard," Joyce had good reason to know that her ("her" = both Buffy and herself) world wasn't what Joyce thought it was. And at least during that ep, she seemed to be somewhat less in denial/coverup mode than most Sunnydale adults.


tina f. - Aug 04, 2003 6:43:45 am PDT #4170 of 10001

I just had the best idea.

They need to do a celebrity episode of Queer Eye and have NB and DB on it so that they can discuss the whole unfortunate facial hair issue, meaning that neither of them are to EVER leave the house with facial hair EVER again.

And watching them all flirt with each other like mad would just be a bonus!

t /rare sign of brain working before noon


Cindy - Aug 04, 2003 6:54:12 am PDT #4171 of 10001
Nobody

But in the reality Buffy remembered as of 2002, she had been. It's a false memory caused by Dawn's presence – either Buffy told Dawn and Dawn told their parents (not exactly what B. says, but close enough), or she told her parents because she was afraid the vamps would come after Dawn.

Anyone agree?

Lyra Jane, that's the only fanwank that works for me.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 04, 2003 7:00:22 am PDT #4172 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, that works pretty well. We didn't see any references to institutionalization when Joyce found out about vampires because Buffy wasn't ever actually put away, but now she remembers having been as yet another fringe benefit of Dawn's presence. Though going with that explanation does make me wonder if the monks' plan involved making Buffy overprotective of Dawn by turning everything else in her life crappy.


CaBil - Aug 04, 2003 7:11:05 am PDT #4173 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

But in the reality Buffy remembered as of 2002, she had been. It's a false memory caused by Dawn's presence – either Buffy told Dawn and Dawn told their parents (not exactly what B. says, but close enough),

In the only version of the story we have so far (the comic version) it is Dawn that rats Buffy out, so it works.


Lyra Jane - Aug 04, 2003 7:32:19 am PDT #4174 of 10001
Up with the sun

In the only version of the story we have so far (the comic version) it is Dawn that rats Buffy out, so it works.

Heh. Fanwankery and quasi-canon collide!


Cindy - Aug 04, 2003 9:03:48 am PDT #4175 of 10001
Nobody

Eons ago, on the Bronze, Joss said we could consider the comics (including Fray) as part of canon, but not the books, and I think not the film.

Of course, he was probably just tossing out an answer to shut up whomever asked him (no - not I).


CaBil - Aug 04, 2003 10:55:50 am PDT #4176 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Could he mean just his and the ME writers books?

That would make Tales of the Slayers, Fray, the Angel miniseries and Buffy/Mayor miniseries...


tina f. - Aug 04, 2003 11:03:12 am PDT #4177 of 10001

Could he mean just his and the ME writers books?

I was wondering the same thing - because the current Buffy comics are also telling Giles' backstory. So far, it gels with the canon established in the show, but it and the Giles-centric one-shots they have done equal a whole lotta previously unestablished Giles canon if all the comics count.


Cindy - Aug 04, 2003 2:47:04 pm PDT #4178 of 10001
Nobody

Could he mean just his and the ME writers books?

If by books you mean comic books, then I'd say yes. He might have only meant his own, too.

He definitely didn't consider things like Golden and Holder's stuff to be canon.