If by books you mean comic books, then I'd say yes. He might have only meant his own, too.

This makes sense.

There is still weirdness with Fray being canon because in it, vampires and magic were banished from earth and it more than hints that Buffy and Willow were the banishers (which I guess could still happen) and it gives a lot of info about slayers but fails to mention that there were a mess of new slayers all slayered-up at one time.

But - I am guessing it is all wankable.

I would say edited, but really it was re-written to say something that made a bit of sense.

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There is still weirdness with Fray being canon because of how it alludes to vampires and magic being banished from earth and how Chosen ends (meaning Fray certainly never mentions that there were a mess of new slayers all slayered-up at one time).

But - I am guessing it is wankable.

Could be a punishment by TPTB for creating so many slayers. Or a gift for destroying all unsouled vampires.

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See now DCJ - you messed me all up by recopying my post before I was able to make it less dumb. : )

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I can change the quote to be your corrected post, tho.

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But - I am guessing it is all wankable.

It's wankable quite easily. Stories get changed when they get passed along. It's why I didn't care that what Giles first read about Anyanka in The Wish's wishverse, didn't jibe with stuff we saw later. It's canon that Wish!Giles read a book, but the book doesn't have to be right.

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I can change the quote to be your corrected post, tho.

It doesn't matter. They aren't really that different.

As far as punishment or reward, you get the impression from the way it is told in Fray that Buffy and Willow (or someother slayer and her magical friend) die or get sucked into a void with all the vamps and magic when they do the banishing. That seems more punishment than reward if the PTB have anything to do with it.

The bigger thing to me is a lack of mentioning the big slayer power up in Chosen. I mean, c'mon, didn't Joss have all this planned out on a big chart in his room when he was 15???

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"It's why I didn't care that what Giles first read about Anyanka in The Wish's wishverse, didn't jibe with stuff we saw later. It's canon that Wish!Giles read a book, but the book doesn't have to be right."

Cindy -- excellent point, by the way. The books in the Buffyverse have more than just historical value. As we saw in Angel S3, prophecies can be altered with the right combination of power and intellect. And, more importantly, the way people read said altered prophecies can affect the outcome of continuity. Because the core element of the S3 foreshadowing -- "the father shall kill the son," came true, in S4.

Again, evil attacks with lies. And it does with truth. And "documented" truth. Which makes the books a point of reference, but not entirely reliable.

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"The bigger thing to me is a lack of mentioning the big slayer power up in Chosen. I mean, c'mon, didn't Joss have all this planned out on a big chart in his room when he was 15???"

This has to play out in one way or another, either in the comic or perhaps in whatever constitutes the Buffy spinoff, or on Angel S5. Willow just performed a major deus ex machina. MILLIONS of Slayers could have been activated. The African shamans who "managed" the Slayers had their delicate arrangement undone rather quickly. Plus, there was never any guarantee that the First Evil was actually indeed as powerful as it claimed it was.

Willow may have overreacted. In the short-term, no, because the asset Buffy and Co. needed was an army of slayers against the Turok-Han army. But in the long-term? More slayers could end up meaning more Faiths circa-S3 Buffy. That isn't a good thing altogether.

So what do I think? I think the Slayers turn on themselves. I'm saying War of the Slayer Succession.

I fanwank way too much.

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I mean, c'mon, didn't Joss have all this planned out on a big chart in his room when he was 15

Of course he did. I'm gonna go finish all my veggies and wait for Santa Claus

Which really sounds snarky which I *really* don't mean. I want to believe that it is all planned out and there is a big reason and that if I am very good, Joss will make everything allright...

Um, going back to lurking here for a while...

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I will note that I can't see an attemped vamping by Spike as having any resonance or being in character for Spike, for mostly the reasons Ken discussed.

I'd like to go back a ways and thank Hec for this agreement, but I can't claim this as an original thought - I think it was Betsy who first articulated that Spike wasn't interested in Vampire interactions in SR back when it first premiered.

I can also say that I agree with Hec on most of what he says on season 6, but I'm not sure I can go along with anyone on season 7 because, 1) I NEVER saw Spike remotely trying to rekindle he romance with Buffy on any intentional level and, 2) while she may have kept defending him on the whole "he's got a soul issue", she never fell into the making out sessions she kept falling into with Angel using the same criteria. And quite honestly, in Buffy's book of who's fucked her over, Angelus and Faith are WAY ahead of Spike in that contest, mainly because while she slept with him, I don't think she had any illusions that Spike was really a "good" guy.

While she may have gotten support from him, and he may have gotten a perfect moment from her trust, I never got anything along the lines of "you want your boyfriend back" from Buffy w/r/t Spike. Which certainly WAS the case with Angel. She may have said she loved Spike (and actually, I believe that she did LOVE him, just that she NEVER, EVER was IN LOVE with him, ever), but I also believe Spike went to his date with destiny believing what he told her - "No you don't" - and, more to the point, he was OK with that.

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