Yeah, that works pretty well. We didn't see any references to institutionalization when Joyce found out about vampires because Buffy wasn't ever actually put away, but now she remembers having been as yet another fringe benefit of Dawn's presence. Though going with that explanation does make me wonder if the monks' plan involved making Buffy overprotective of Dawn by turning everything else in her life crappy.

But in the reality Buffy remembered as of 2002, she had been. It's a false memory caused by Dawn's presence – either Buffy told Dawn and Dawn told their parents (not exactly what B. says, but close enough),

In the only version of the story we have so far (the comic version) it is Dawn that rats Buffy out, so it works.

In the only version of the story we have so far (the comic version) it is Dawn that rats Buffy out, so it works.

Heh. Fanwankery and quasi-canon collide!

Eons ago, on the Bronze, Joss said we could consider the comics (including Fray) as part of canon, but not the books, and I think not the film.

Of course, he was probably just tossing out an answer to shut up whomever asked him (no - not I).

Could he mean just his and the ME writers books?

That would make Tales of the Slayers, Fray, the Angel miniseries and Buffy/Mayor miniseries...

Could he mean just his and the ME writers books?

I was wondering the same thing - because the current Buffy comics are also telling Giles' backstory. So far, it gels with the canon established in the show, but it and the Giles-centric one-shots they have done equal a whole lotta previously unestablished Giles canon if all the comics count.

Could he mean just his and the ME writers books?

If by books you mean comic books, then I'd say yes. He might have only meant his own, too.

He definitely didn't consider things like Golden and Holder's stuff to be canon.

If by books you mean comic books, then I'd say yes. He might have only meant his own, too.

This makes sense.

There is still weirdness with Fray being canon because in it, vampires and magic were banished from earth and it more than hints that Buffy and Willow were the banishers (which I guess could still happen) and it gives a lot of info about slayers but fails to mention that there were a mess of new slayers all slayered-up at one time.

But - I am guessing it is all wankable.

I would say edited, but really it was re-written to say something that made a bit of sense.

There is still weirdness with Fray being canon because of how it alludes to vampires and magic being banished from earth and how Chosen ends (meaning Fray certainly never mentions that there were a mess of new slayers all slayered-up at one time).

But - I am guessing it is wankable.

Could be a punishment by TPTB for creating so many slayers. Or a gift for destroying all unsouled vampires.

See now DCJ - you messed me all up by recopying my post before I was able to make it less dumb. : )