I hope so.

Terrible terrible horrible look. But EC looks good.

Yeah, but Buff tends to fluctuate between those two levels anyway (as do the vamps). It's a dramatic moment thing, much like Roger Rabbit and the handcuffs.

True. Lemme tell ya, watching "Two to Go" and "What's My Line" there's quite a disconnect between Buffy bending jail cell bars like taffy in about 2.5 seconds and Angel getting stuck in a flimsy mesh cage for hours when he knew sunrise was going to become a problem.

Handlebar moustaches creep. me. out.

Wow. Just . . . wow.

If Angel(us) with spectacles ever met Xander with handlebar mustache, the ensuing laughter would stop my heart for sure.

In the comic version of the story, they send Buffy off the insititution after the gym burn-down.

But in that version, they discover it by Dawn reading Buffy's diary and ratting her out.

Picture the 'stache combined with the Pack/Vamp!Xander vibe. Ooohh, and little round sunglasses! That could work...

Anybody got any word on what NB's doing since the Maddy Breakers gig seems to have fizzled?

Holy fuck nuggets I certainly hope NB's getting a guest role on the UPN series "The Mullets" for his sake.

Village People TV movie. IJS.

The implication I got from the deleted scene was that he planned on, umm, well, making her feel it, consent be damned.

Really? I didn't get that *at all.* I read it as being just Spike's normal sexual routine; I didn't think he would have used the toys without Buffy's consent.

Spike's only regular partners we know of before that were Dru (who was insane and, apparently, fond of torture) and Harmony (who would pretty much do whatever he asked as long as he called her his snuggly-wuggly afterwards). I don't think Spike has anything in his experience that would lead him to see handcuffs and stun guns as being especially kinky.

Some kind of outside life they left behind. Parents looking for runaways, or girls calling home to reassure Mom and Dad that everything was just dandy at Professor Giles's School for the Gifted.

I totally agree. The thing is, in S1-S5, the demony stuff was intertwined with the outside world. In S7, especially the later half, it felt all … floaty and detached. I don't just mean the potentials never calling mom; I mean things like Willow pretty much ignoring college, and Dawn's shoplifting and school life almost never being followed up on, and Xander only being at work when the script had no other use for him.

this was hardly the first time rape was used as a plot device to connote the Worst of the Worst...along with smoking.

Allyson, that's interesting, and I hadn't thought of that before. Maybe "Seeing Red" was harder to take because it was so much onscreen, and it was characters we cared about, rather than just a Demon of the Week.

I do agree he'd have been miserable with Buffy as a vampire. But it's pretty well established that Spike makes great plans, then gets bored and acts on impulse, abandoning his plan

Yes to this.

I mean, if he'd thought about it, he wouldn't have tried to rape her, either. He was angry. Spike's brain does not work well when he is angry. Hell, even when he's calm, he's not Long-Term Plan Guy. (See: "The Yoko Factor," "As You Were.")

Not in the alternate reality, but in Buffyverse reality, when she really was committed for telling her parents she saw vampires.

Here's a wank of that scene: In Buffy's 1996 reality, she was never committed. This fits with canon for most of the series.

But in the reality Buffy remembered as of 2002, she had been. It's a false memory caused by Dawn's presence – either Buffy told Dawn and Dawn told their parents (not exactly what B. says, but close enough), or she told her parents because she was afraid the vamps would come after Dawn.

Anyone agree?

I always felt Joyce knew Buffy was the Slayer, but would never bring it up directly.

Disagreed. I think Joyce knew something was up with Buffy, and she'd changed around her 15th birthday. But I don't think she knew it had to do with vampires, because she didn't know vampires were real.

aside from that, it seems to me that the writers simply stuck it in there to make it all seem more emotional...the trouble is that I just find it unbelievable that Buffy never told anyone about it.

This is what I thought, too. I found it a cheap scene.