Where'd they get CAT scan from?... I mean, did they test it on cats? Or does the machine sort of look like a cat?

Dawn ,'Sleeper'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 9:48:14 am PST #10223 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I feel the need to clarify that safe spaces exist to prioritize the voices and concerns of marginalized communities. The world at large is a safe space if you're white, male, cis, straight, able-bodied, etc. For example, in a discussion on race or trans issues, it is not a safe space for me as a white lesbian to double down or minimize what is being discussed.


Jesse - Dec 08, 2020 9:48:49 am PST #10224 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But I’ve seen a lot of self congratulatory “look we are doing the work” among in groups before

Yes, same, I also have this concern.

And this wouldn't be a call-out thread, right? Like, "Joss, meet me in [thread] so I can explain where you went wrong"?


juliana - Dec 08, 2020 9:49:19 am PST #10225 of 10289
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I know I'm not here much, but I'm definitely in favor of this thread. EDIT: Provided, of course, that it's not a call-out thread, but an education thread.


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 9:50:13 am PST #10226 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

The intent is not to be a call out space, but to be a place of learning and growth. That said, if someone is doubling down anywhere on the board? Yeah, I think that would be a time to go to this thread and discuss. Someone says something and is told in-thread that it's problematic and they apologize and move on? No need to take it to this thread, except maybe to add the issue to discuss (not to point fingers at the original discussion, but to have it be its own topic for learning). Does that make sense?


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 9:51:31 am PST #10227 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

And re: the woke thing - absolutely agree with you. There is never a time when you've (in general) reached the end of this work. It is a life-long process that will continue long after we are all gone.


lisah - Dec 08, 2020 10:07:18 am PST #10228 of 10289
Punishingly Intricate

Sounds like a good idea, glam.

I am confused about this:

We had a sort of horrible thing about 9/11 we don’t talk about, but it is real with a conversation between two people both of whom do not post here now and one who left completely. I don’t want that to happen. I don’t want to lose people.

I don't remember what you're referring to, Sophia, and I'm not sure if you're saying a space like Glam is proposing would have helped or hurt.


Calli - Dec 08, 2020 10:51:03 am PST #10229 of 10289
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I'm in favor of such a thread. I'd like to avoid hurting people unintentionally, and it's hard to do if you don't know where some of the pain points are.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:01:45 am PST #10230 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Excellent idea!


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:16:19 am PST #10231 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I'd like to avoid hurting people unintentionally, and it's hard to do if you don't know where some of the pain points are.

I just wanted to see this again because it's exactly the point of a thread like this. Awareness and growth, not shame or humiliation. If you mess up (and we ALL will), just sit with it and listen. That growth is always worth the discomfort. Always.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:20:41 am PST #10232 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise. Although obviously a discussion *can* move I don't think we want to shut down a conversation somewhere else. Does that make sense?