And re: the woke thing - absolutely agree with you. There is never a time when you've (in general) reached the end of this work. It is a life-long process that will continue long after we are all gone.

Sounds like a good idea, glam.

I am confused about this:

We had a sort of horrible thing about 9/11 we don’t talk about, but it is real with a conversation between two people both of whom do not post here now and one who left completely. I don’t want that to happen. I don’t want to lose people.

I don't remember what you're referring to, Sophia, and I'm not sure if you're saying a space like Glam is proposing would have helped or hurt.

I'm in favor of such a thread. I'd like to avoid hurting people unintentionally, and it's hard to do if you don't know where some of the pain points are.

Excellent idea!

I'd like to avoid hurting people unintentionally, and it's hard to do if you don't know where some of the pain points are.

I just wanted to see this again because it's exactly the point of a thread like this. Awareness and growth, not shame or humiliation. If you mess up (and we ALL will), just sit with it and listen. That growth is always worth the discomfort. Always.

I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise. Although obviously a discussion *can* move I don't think we want to shut down a conversation somewhere else. Does that make sense?

I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise.

This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.

I feel the need to clarify that safe spaces exist to prioritize the voices and concerns of marginalized communities.

My word choice was ill advised as "safe space" has a specific meaning in the context of these discussions.

I guess I meant more that having this kind of talk within the community is different from broaching these issues in the internet at large where you can get piled on by strangers in a hurry in a way that shuts down discussion.

This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.

Yeah, I realize that and recognize the need. I'm just saying that might not always be the case. And possibly this is not a real thing I need to be worrying about, even. It's not like I can think of an example of the kind of thing I have in mind, it's kind of a nebulous concern.

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I guess I meant more that having this kind of talk within the community is different from broaching these issues in the internet at large where you can get piled on by strangers in a hurry in a way that shuts down discussion.

It does help when folks have relationships with those they engage in these discussions. You already know it was likely an "oops" moment rather than an intended slur. That said, doubling down will inevitably lead to less "nice" discussions. Minorities are not obligated to 1) educate or 2) be nice when someone is being actively aggressive in dismissing your rights/words.