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We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise.
This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.
I feel the need to clarify that safe spaces exist to prioritize the voices and concerns of marginalized communities.
My word choice was ill advised as "safe space" has a specific meaning in the context of these discussions.
I guess I meant more that having this kind of talk within the community is different from broaching these issues in the internet at large where you can get piled on by strangers in a hurry in a way that shuts down discussion.
This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.
Yeah, I realize that and recognize the need. I'm just saying that might not always be the case. And possibly this is not a real thing I need to be worrying about, even. It's not like I can think of an example of the kind of thing I have in mind, it's kind of a nebulous concern.
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I guess I meant more that having this kind of talk within the community is different from broaching these issues in the internet at large where you can get piled on by strangers in a hurry in a way that shuts down discussion.
It does help when folks have relationships with those they engage in these discussions. You already know it was likely an "oops" moment rather than an intended slur. That said, doubling down will inevitably lead to less "nice" discussions. Minorities are not obligated to 1) educate or 2) be nice when someone is being actively aggressive in dismissing your rights/words.
-t, I hope that we'd get to a place where we'd want to bring all of this to that thread and not consider getting called out a bad thing. It takes time to get there, but at this point in my journey, I am really happy? glad? when I get called out because I'm about to learn something I didn't know before. It can be hard (it IS hard at first), but we can all get to that place and internalize that a call out happens when someone cares enough about you to educate you and that making mistakes is how we all learn. It is not a bad thing. It's just a mistake.
Mm, that's not the angle I'm thinking about - more like if someone brings something up in another thread getting told to take it to the proposed thread instead. Not necessarily a call out situation, just the topic?
Got it. That would be a discussion point for the new thread.
Wading in because this doesn’t appear to be going as badly as I feared it would. I was both uncomfortable with the conversation getting out of control in the thread it started in and with those who were indicating that we should move it along or just be done with the discussion. I never expected to conversation to become as out of control as it did, but when it did I also didn’t know where I was supposed to move it to. I could have handled the situation backchannel, and maybe I should have, but I felt it was an opportunity for many others here to think about words and phrases that they might not have realized could be hurtful to the disabled community. If there was a thread like the one GC has proposed where I could have brought up the matter, I would have used it instead.
I am glad you didn't handle it backchannel, sj. I guarantee you that at least one person learned something new from the discussion, which is so so necessary. Thank you for posting!
I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise. Although obviously a discussion *can* move I don't think we want to shut down a conversation somewhere else. Does that make sense?
I think having a dedicated space means that conversations *can* move when they threaten to overwhelm their thread of origin, not that their discussion topic is forbidden outside the dedicated thread.