Gunn: The final score can't be rigged. I don't care how many players you grease, that last shot always comes up a question mark. But here's the thing. You never know when you're taking it. It could be when you're duking it out with the Legion of Doom, or just crossing the street deciding where to have brunch. So you just treat it like it was up to you—the world in balance—'cause you never know when it is.

'Underneath'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:01:45 am PST #10230 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Excellent idea!


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:16:19 am PST #10231 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I'd like to avoid hurting people unintentionally, and it's hard to do if you don't know where some of the pain points are.

I just wanted to see this again because it's exactly the point of a thread like this. Awareness and growth, not shame or humiliation. If you mess up (and we ALL will), just sit with it and listen. That growth is always worth the discomfort. Always.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:20:41 am PST #10232 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise. Although obviously a discussion *can* move I don't think we want to shut down a conversation somewhere else. Does that make sense?


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:23:00 am PST #10233 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise.

This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.


DavidS - Dec 08, 2020 11:30:10 am PST #10234 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I feel the need to clarify that safe spaces exist to prioritize the voices and concerns of marginalized communities.

My word choice was ill advised as "safe space" has a specific meaning in the context of these discussions.

I guess I meant more that having this kind of talk within the community is different from broaching these issues in the internet at large where you can get piled on by strangers in a hurry in a way that shuts down discussion.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:32:22 am PST #10235 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.

Yeah, I realize that and recognize the need. I'm just saying that might not always be the case. And possibly this is not a real thing I need to be worrying about, even. It's not like I can think of an example of the kind of thing I have in mind, it's kind of a nebulous concern.

::edited for context


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:33:46 am PST #10236 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I guess I meant more that having this kind of talk within the community is different from broaching these issues in the internet at large where you can get piled on by strangers in a hurry in a way that shuts down discussion.

It does help when folks have relationships with those they engage in these discussions. You already know it was likely an "oops" moment rather than an intended slur. That said, doubling down will inevitably lead to less "nice" discussions. Minorities are not obligated to 1) educate or 2) be nice when someone is being actively aggressive in dismissing your rights/words.


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:37:28 am PST #10237 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

-t, I hope that we'd get to a place where we'd want to bring all of this to that thread and not consider getting called out a bad thing. It takes time to get there, but at this point in my journey, I am really happy? glad? when I get called out because I'm about to learn something I didn't know before. It can be hard (it IS hard at first), but we can all get to that place and internalize that a call out happens when someone cares enough about you to educate you and that making mistakes is how we all learn. It is not a bad thing. It's just a mistake.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:45:15 am PST #10238 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Mm, that's not the angle I'm thinking about - more like if someone brings something up in another thread getting told to take it to the proposed thread instead. Not necessarily a call out situation, just the topic?


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:47:41 am PST #10239 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Got it. That would be a discussion point for the new thread.