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Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 9:50:13 am PST #10226 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

The intent is not to be a call out space, but to be a place of learning and growth. That said, if someone is doubling down anywhere on the board? Yeah, I think that would be a time to go to this thread and discuss. Someone says something and is told in-thread that it's problematic and they apologize and move on? No need to take it to this thread, except maybe to add the issue to discuss (not to point fingers at the original discussion, but to have it be its own topic for learning). Does that make sense?


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 9:51:31 am PST #10227 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

And re: the woke thing - absolutely agree with you. There is never a time when you've (in general) reached the end of this work. It is a life-long process that will continue long after we are all gone.


lisah - Dec 08, 2020 10:07:18 am PST #10228 of 10289
Punishingly Intricate

Sounds like a good idea, glam.

I am confused about this:

We had a sort of horrible thing about 9/11 we don’t talk about, but it is real with a conversation between two people both of whom do not post here now and one who left completely. I don’t want that to happen. I don’t want to lose people.

I don't remember what you're referring to, Sophia, and I'm not sure if you're saying a space like Glam is proposing would have helped or hurt.


Calli - Dec 08, 2020 10:51:03 am PST #10229 of 10289
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I'm in favor of such a thread. I'd like to avoid hurting people unintentionally, and it's hard to do if you don't know where some of the pain points are.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:01:45 am PST #10230 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Excellent idea!


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:16:19 am PST #10231 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I'd like to avoid hurting people unintentionally, and it's hard to do if you don't know where some of the pain points are.

I just wanted to see this again because it's exactly the point of a thread like this. Awareness and growth, not shame or humiliation. If you mess up (and we ALL will), just sit with it and listen. That growth is always worth the discomfort. Always.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:20:41 am PST #10232 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise. Although obviously a discussion *can* move I don't think we want to shut down a conversation somewhere else. Does that make sense?


Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2020 11:23:00 am PST #10233 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I do want to explicitly say that I am assuming this is not meant to remove such discussions from other threads where they might naturally arise.

This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.


DavidS - Dec 08, 2020 11:30:10 am PST #10234 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I feel the need to clarify that safe spaces exist to prioritize the voices and concerns of marginalized communities.

My word choice was ill advised as "safe space" has a specific meaning in the context of these discussions.

I guess I meant more that having this kind of talk within the community is different from broaching these issues in the internet at large where you can get piled on by strangers in a hurry in a way that shuts down discussion.


-t - Dec 08, 2020 11:32:22 am PST #10235 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

This is something to discuss as it just happened and many did want the discussion out of the thread where it originated. This was one reason I made this proposal.

Yeah, I realize that and recognize the need. I'm just saying that might not always be the case. And possibly this is not a real thing I need to be worrying about, even. It's not like I can think of an example of the kind of thing I have in mind, it's kind of a nebulous concern.

::edited for context