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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - May 21, 2008 7:52:13 pm PDT #2464 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'd like to see Destiny and the Doctor. And then I have a wonder: (possible spoiler for one of the most recent eps, but not plot related-more about the Time Lords' capabilities) the Dr can see what can be changed and what can't. He picks and chooses his butterflies to smoosh with great care. And then you have Destiny. What does he do? What happens if he puts the book down so he can go take a whiz?


WindSparrow - May 22, 2008 3:42:38 am PDT #2465 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

And then you have Destiny. What does he do? What happens if he puts the book down so he can go take a whiz?

The Doctor grabs it, and doodles in the margins. It never fails to annoy the ever-living shit out of Destiny.

It's a Thing. Goes wayyyyyyyy back.

Death thinks he's kinda cute, though. And don't get me started on how he flirts with Delirium.


Frankenbuddha - May 22, 2008 3:47:07 am PDT #2466 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I feel like I'm missing some stuff:

Although I was in no way sad to see Minear get more control over Angel I think that Angel was in better hands with Joss than Who was in Davies.

Did you feel it was NOT in good hands with Davies?

Neil Gaiman printed a letter on his blog yesterday asking him if he'd be writing a DW episode now that Moffat has the reins. Problem is, he didn't answer the question.

Was there an issue with Davies and Gaiman, or does Gaiman know Moffat, or ?


§ ita § - May 22, 2008 4:51:42 am PDT #2467 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Did you feel it was NOT in good hands with Davies?

No, but I think Moffat is way better a writer than Davies. He has all my favourite Who eps to his credit, and off-Who I love his Coupling work.

I like Davies well enough. Just not as much.


Frankenbuddha - May 22, 2008 5:07:53 am PDT #2468 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I like Davies well enough. Just not as much.

Gotcha. I couldn't remember any posts disparaging Davies' overall handling (specific episodes, yes), so I was confused. I do agree that Moffat has been the best writer by far, so hopefully that will segues into good showrunning.

I've never seen Coupling or Queer as Folk, so I have no basis to judge either of them on, outside the Who-verse (Whoville?).

Is Davies going to continue with Torchwood, I wonder?


Frankenbuddha - May 22, 2008 5:09:37 am PDT #2469 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

And I just bunnied myself with an x-over version of Horton Hears a Who.


victor infante - May 22, 2008 6:29:54 am PDT #2470 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

While I think Whedon has an edge on Davies overall, they've both created some pretty stunning television and conceptualized some enormously important characters (Buffy Summers and Capt. Jack Harkness, all on their own, should probably make any critics choice of the most important fictional characters of the last twenty odd years.) So no, I have no problem with drawing comparisons between the two.

Nor do I have issues with comparisons between Moffat and our own Mr. Minear, as they both excel at taking the ideas that were handed to them and accelerating them into something cooler than words.


§ ita § - May 22, 2008 6:49:39 am PDT #2471 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Captain Jack Harkness? Really? I don't see the argument for him. He's enjoyable, and can be well-handled, but I don't think he says anything near as much as Buffy does.


Polter-Cow - May 22, 2008 6:53:16 am PDT #2472 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, I wouldn't have put him in the same category as Buffy at all. But I don't watch Torchwood. Is it just because he has sex with everything? That's new for main characters, I suppose.


Kathy A - May 22, 2008 6:56:47 am PDT #2473 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Would Capt. Jack be considered the first gay/bi lead in an action/adventure/SF show? I'm counting US and UK tv here. I know he's the first I've seen on US tv, but Torchwood is BBC, so I'm wondering if he's the first on UK tv as well.