Giles ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'
A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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I like Davies well enough. Just not as much.
Gotcha. I couldn't remember any posts disparaging Davies' overall handling (specific episodes, yes), so I was confused. I do agree that Moffat has been the best writer by far, so hopefully that will segues into good showrunning.
I've never seen Coupling or Queer as Folk, so I have no basis to judge either of them on, outside the Who-verse (Whoville?).
Is Davies going to continue with Torchwood, I wonder?
And I just bunnied myself with an x-over version of Horton Hears a Who.
While I think Whedon has an edge on Davies overall, they've both created some pretty stunning television and conceptualized some enormously important characters (Buffy Summers and Capt. Jack Harkness, all on their own, should probably make any critics choice of the most important fictional characters of the last twenty odd years.) So no, I have no problem with drawing comparisons between the two.
Nor do I have issues with comparisons between Moffat and our own Mr. Minear, as they both excel at taking the ideas that were handed to them and accelerating them into something cooler than words.
Captain Jack Harkness? Really? I don't see the argument for him. He's enjoyable, and can be well-handled, but I don't think he says anything near as much as Buffy does.
Yeah, I wouldn't have put him in the same category as Buffy at all. But I don't watch Torchwood. Is it just because he has sex with everything? That's new for main characters, I suppose.
Would Capt. Jack be considered the first gay/bi lead in an action/adventure/SF show? I'm counting US and UK tv here. I know he's the first I've seen on US tv, but Torchwood is BBC, so I'm wondering if he's the first on UK tv as well.
Are we including The Doctor himself?
I'd say Jack is clearly the first overt homosexual/bisexual action hero in English-language television. And that's important.
Would Capt. Jack be considered the first gay/bi lead in an action/adventure/SF show?
I think so, and I think that's why he's important. Of course, I would like to see him with a woman once in a while :) OTOH, I think that the producers aren't putting him with women because they're trying to intimate that he's holding a torch for Gwen, and she's the only woman he can love (hurl)