A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.
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This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
While I think Whedon has an edge on Davies overall, they've both created some pretty stunning television and conceptualized some enormously important characters (Buffy Summers and Capt. Jack Harkness, all on their own, should probably make any critics choice of the most important fictional characters of the last twenty odd years.) So no, I have no problem with drawing comparisons between the two.
Nor do I have issues with comparisons between Moffat and our own Mr. Minear, as they both excel at taking the ideas that were handed to them and accelerating them into something cooler than words.
Captain Jack Harkness? Really? I don't see the argument for him. He's enjoyable, and can be well-handled, but I don't think he says anything near as much as Buffy does.
Yeah, I wouldn't have put him in the same category as Buffy at all. But I don't watch
Torchwood.
Is it just because he has sex with everything? That's new for main characters, I suppose.
Would Capt. Jack be considered the first gay/bi lead in an action/adventure/SF show? I'm counting US and UK tv here. I know he's the first I've seen on US tv, but Torchwood is BBC, so I'm wondering if he's the first on UK tv as well.
Are we including The Doctor himself?
I'd say Jack is clearly the first overt homosexual/bisexual action hero in English-language television. And that's important.
Would Capt. Jack be considered the first gay/bi lead in an action/adventure/SF show?
I think so, and I think that's why he's important. Of course, I would like to see him with a woman once in a while :) OTOH, I think that the producers aren't putting him with women because they're trying to intimate that he's holding a torch for Gwen, and she's the only woman he can love (hurl)
Of course, I would like to see him with a woman once in a while :) OTOH, I think that the producers aren't putting him with women because they're trying to intimate that he's holding a torch for Gwen, and she's the only woman he can love (hurl)
What about Rose? He certainly flirted with her, at least until the Doctor A) warned him off her; and 2) took Jack's fancy himself.
Also, there was that sweet little old lady with the fairies, with whom Jack had had something nice going, back when she was young, that he had lied to about being his own son so he could get in touch with again.
But yeah, showing that Jack has occasionally fancied females is not the same as showing him in a current relationship with one.
