Captain Jack Harkness? Really? I don't see the argument for him. He's enjoyable, and can be well-handled, but I don't think he says anything near as much as Buffy does.
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§ ita § - May 22, 2008 6:49:39 am PDT #2471 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Polter-Cow - May 22, 2008 6:53:16 am PDT #2472 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yeah, I wouldn't have put him in the same category as Buffy at all. But I don't watch Torchwood. Is it just because he has sex with everything? That's new for main characters, I suppose.
Kathy A - May 22, 2008 6:56:47 am PDT #2473 of 30001
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Would Capt. Jack be considered the first gay/bi lead in an action/adventure/SF show? I'm counting US and UK tv here. I know he's the first I've seen on US tv, but Torchwood is BBC, so I'm wondering if he's the first on UK tv as well.
Ailleann - May 22, 2008 7:04:42 am PDT #2474 of 30001
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Are we including The Doctor himself?
victor infante - May 22, 2008 7:05:08 am PDT #2475 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I'd say Jack is clearly the first overt homosexual/bisexual action hero in English-language television. And that's important.
Vortex - May 22, 2008 7:05:10 am PDT #2476 of 30001
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Would Capt. Jack be considered the first gay/bi lead in an action/adventure/SF show?
I think so, and I think that's why he's important. Of course, I would like to see him with a woman once in a while :) OTOH, I think that the producers aren't putting him with women because they're trying to intimate that he's holding a torch for Gwen, and she's the only woman he can love (hurl)
Typo Boy - May 22, 2008 7:06:08 am PDT #2477 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Typo Boy - May 22, 2008 7:09:07 am PDT #2478 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Oh and the earlier conversation about the Doctor and the Endless inspired a bunny:
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WindSparrow - May 22, 2008 7:25:02 am PDT #2479 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.
Of course, I would like to see him with a woman once in a while :) OTOH, I think that the producers aren't putting him with women because they're trying to intimate that he's holding a torch for Gwen, and she's the only woman he can love (hurl)
What about Rose? He certainly flirted with her, at least until the Doctor A) warned him off her; and 2) took Jack's fancy himself.
Also, there was that sweet little old lady with the fairies, with whom Jack had had something nice going, back when she was young, that he had lied to about being his own son so he could get in touch with again.
But yeah, showing that Jack has occasionally fancied females is not the same as showing him in a current relationship with one.
Fred Pete - May 22, 2008 7:38:21 am PDT #2480 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.
But Jack's in a current relationship with Ianto. And while he's not exactly monogamous, I don't think he'd try to juggle two SOs at once.
Group relationship, maybe. But I don't see Ianto being too keen on that.