I fed off a flowerperson, and I spent the next six hours watchin' my hand move.

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Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


JZ - Jun 12, 2012 9:28:36 am PDT #4180 of 5059
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I've been meaning to ask whether things had improved any in the months since the initial horror of the DC reboot, but... well, guess that's the answer, right there.


§ ita § - Jun 12, 2012 9:59:07 am PDT #4181 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know that it has anything to do with the reboot, or is a good summary of the months since then. I mean, they've done other stuff including Alan Scott coming out of the closet. *That* is reboot related.

Catwoman was that bad before the New 52.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 12, 2012 10:05:54 am PDT #4182 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I've heard that World's Finest featuring Power Girl and Huntress is actually pretty good.


Kalshane - Jun 21, 2012 5:33:17 pm PDT #4183 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I need to train my nephews better. My sister posted to Facebook asking who was stronger than The Hulk. This mystery person had "tan skin and blue pants".

Her husband chimed in first that they were talking about The Thing, which they apparently were.

I was obligated to explain that The Thing wasn't actually stronger than The Hulk, followed by links to the Marvel Strength chart and a collection of Thing/Hulk clips from this season of Earth's Mightiest Heroes as evidence.

Hopefully I have already taught my son not to make the same mistake. I'll have to ask him tomorrow.


DavidS - Jun 21, 2012 5:38:27 pm PDT #4184 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hulk is strongest one there is!

Because technically there's not an upper limit to his strength as long he's still getting angry. However, Thor With Hammer should be able to win in most instances. It's just that good a hammer.

Though on a DC/Marvel scale, Superman is definitely stronger. But on a narrative level, this just creates problems for Superman stories.


§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 5:43:36 pm PDT #4185 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought Avengers was really good at strength. Like, they managed to have distinct strata of power and constitution, and they did a good job of keeping it true. The parts where Tony grunted with effort were a bit distracting, though.


Kalshane - Jun 21, 2012 6:16:23 pm PDT #4186 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Because technically there's not an upper limit to his strength as long he's still getting angry. However, Thor With Hammer should be able to win in most instances. It's just that good a hammer.

Yeah. Someone else threw out "Thor" prior to the physical description being given. And I loved the scene in Avengers when The Hulk tried to pick up Mjolnir. (Although I want to say some variation of that scene makes its way into any Thor and Hulk meet for the first time story.)

Though on a DC/Marvel scale, Superman is definitely stronger. But on a narrative level, this just creates problems for Superman stories.

Is current Superman still stronger? I know Silver Age definitely was.

I thought Avengers was really good at strength. Like, they managed to have distinct strata of power and constitution, and they did a good job of keeping it true. The parts where Tony grunted with effort were a bit distracting, though.

I don't recall noticing the grunting, but I can see it being an issue. Grunting in response to G-forces and impacts? Sure. Grunting in response to exertion? Not so much.


§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 6:21:33 pm PDT #4187 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He grunted and grimaced while he was pushing the heli-carrier fan. Not when he was reacting to buffeting but more when he was trying to go harder.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 22, 2012 12:04:05 am PDT #4188 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

From way back in the OHotMU days, the armor was supposed to multiply the user's strength rather than substitute for it, so there was feedback and making a greater effort would generate a greater result.

Is current Superman still stronger? I know Silver Age definitely was.

I don't know about the DCnU version, but the post-Crisis version was able to pick up a luxury liner during his initial Man of Steel miniseries. That's orders of magnitude beyond anything I've seen the Hulk do.


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2012 6:07:56 am PDT #4189 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's just because he doesn't want to.