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Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

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§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 5:43:36 pm PDT #4185 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought Avengers was really good at strength. Like, they managed to have distinct strata of power and constitution, and they did a good job of keeping it true. The parts where Tony grunted with effort were a bit distracting, though.


Kalshane - Jun 21, 2012 6:16:23 pm PDT #4186 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Because technically there's not an upper limit to his strength as long he's still getting angry. However, Thor With Hammer should be able to win in most instances. It's just that good a hammer.

Yeah. Someone else threw out "Thor" prior to the physical description being given. And I loved the scene in Avengers when The Hulk tried to pick up Mjolnir. (Although I want to say some variation of that scene makes its way into any Thor and Hulk meet for the first time story.)

Though on a DC/Marvel scale, Superman is definitely stronger. But on a narrative level, this just creates problems for Superman stories.

Is current Superman still stronger? I know Silver Age definitely was.

I thought Avengers was really good at strength. Like, they managed to have distinct strata of power and constitution, and they did a good job of keeping it true. The parts where Tony grunted with effort were a bit distracting, though.

I don't recall noticing the grunting, but I can see it being an issue. Grunting in response to G-forces and impacts? Sure. Grunting in response to exertion? Not so much.


§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 6:21:33 pm PDT #4187 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He grunted and grimaced while he was pushing the heli-carrier fan. Not when he was reacting to buffeting but more when he was trying to go harder.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 22, 2012 12:04:05 am PDT #4188 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

From way back in the OHotMU days, the armor was supposed to multiply the user's strength rather than substitute for it, so there was feedback and making a greater effort would generate a greater result.

Is current Superman still stronger? I know Silver Age definitely was.

I don't know about the DCnU version, but the post-Crisis version was able to pick up a luxury liner during his initial Man of Steel miniseries. That's orders of magnitude beyond anything I've seen the Hulk do.


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2012 6:07:56 am PDT #4189 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's just because he doesn't want to.


DavidS - Jun 22, 2012 7:51:48 am PDT #4190 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

That's just because he doesn't want to.

Or he's never been luxury liner angry.


Tom Scola - Jun 22, 2012 8:18:39 am PDT #4191 of 5059
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

In Secret Wars I, he lifted a mountain.


DavidS - Jun 22, 2012 8:29:20 am PDT #4192 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yeah, but can Hulk punch a hole in the space time continuum?


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2012 8:30:45 am PDT #4193 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

With Banner past puberty, I don't think he can generate that level of unadulterated pique.


DavidS - Jun 22, 2012 8:38:13 am PDT #4194 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Teen Hulk is strongest one there is! He just wanted a Pepsi, but they wouldn't give it to him!