Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


smonster - Dec 18, 2003 5:54:09 am PST #170 of 3902
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

As with the other two, I have to see it again, to get over my "They changed that?!?" issues. That said, initial impressions:

(Side question - when can we stop whitefonting in here? A week after it's been out?)

I cried four times, all in the first hour -

My first cry was the lighting of the beacons. I also cried when Merry and Pippin separated.

Can't remember the other two right now.

Big gasp moments included GROND!! and all the orcs chanting it* the riding of the muster from Dunharrow * the moment all the ghost appear in the Paths of the Dead * the heads being catapulted over the Minas Tirith walls (shoulda known PJ couldn't resist THAT) * Gollum's gleeful fall *

And even though I've read the book several times, and was waiting for it for 20 minutes, I still shrieked when Shelob stuck Frodo.

I, too wish they had kept more of Eowyn's speech, dammit. I have thrilled to that speech since before I could read (RotK record). Still, it was cool that she was the first to figure out how to disable the Mumakil.

I was in a theater where everyone was in tune with the HoYay, perhaps too much so. A lot of scenes y'all have listed as crying or gasping scenes, such as the reunion at Rivendell and Sam carrying Frodo provoked our whole theater to laughter. It spoiled several moments for me.

Some of the changes seemed really pointless, and as such, irritated me. Those include Denethor's flaming leap. I prefer the book version, where he unveils the palantir and we understand his madness and despair. Also, that incredibly inexplicable change where the fate of Arwen is tied to the ring. So much for making her a subject and not an object.

I don't even hate Arwen in the books, nor do I hate Liv Tyler. But, boy, do I hate Liv Tyler as Arwen and the character as portrayed in the movie. I'm aware that I'm biased b/c of my deep and abiding worship of Eowyn. And I don't care.

I don't think Aragorn was consciously leading Eowyn on. I think he likes her and respects her and wishes he could love her, but realizes that she's actually more in love with what he represents than himself. I think maybe we will get to see more Eowyn/Faramir action in the DVD's, as the studio stills I was looking at yesterday very definitely showed a scene from The Houses of Healing.

Yup. Need to see it again. Preferably in an empty theater. Issues.

One more thing. I love Pippin, and I love Billy Boyd. I really wish he could get some kind of award for the work he did in this movie, and I know it won't happen. He really primed the waterworks every. single. time. he was onscreen.


Kate P. - Dec 18, 2003 6:00:15 am PST #171 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

smonster, I'm sorry that your audience laughed at those scenes! Though I suppose both reactions (laughing and crying) show that you see the HoYay; it just depends on how you feel about it.


amych - Dec 18, 2003 6:12:04 am PST #172 of 3902
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I don't even hate Arwen in the books, nor do I hate Liv Tyler. But, boy, do I hate Liv Tyler as Arwen and the character as portrayed in the movie.

That's it exactly. Although my Liv-thoughts used to be neutral-to-decent, and I'm afraid my seething Arwen!Liv hatred will infect my feelings toward everything else she ever does, ever.

I kept expecting to see Luke Skywalker flying in and around Oliphaunt legs .


Beverly - Dec 18, 2003 6:18:10 am PST #173 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Ooh! amych is right! The guy behind me cracked, (whitefonted for possible movie scene giveaway. Longshot, but...) "Did we learn nothing from the invasion of Hoth?" I nearly snorted pepsi out my nose.


Katie M - Dec 18, 2003 6:19:27 am PST #174 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Bwah! Aw, cute geek.


Cashmere - Dec 18, 2003 6:19:29 am PST #175 of 3902
Now tagless for your comfort.

Beverly, I have to admit, I was thinking that for myself.


tina f. - Dec 18, 2003 6:20:52 am PST #176 of 3902

That's it exactly. Although my Liv-thoughts used to be neutral-to-decent, and I'm afraid my seething Arwen!Liv hatred will infect my feelings toward everything else she ever does, ever.

This is me as well. I like Arwen in the books well enough, and there was no Arwen hate through most of the first movie and I might have been OK if she didn't have to speak Elvish in every.single.effing.interview.ever. By TTT I had the Arwen!Liv hatred full on.


amych - Dec 18, 2003 6:20:56 am PST #177 of 3902
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

snerk, Bev. I'd ask if we might've been behind you, but we got stuck in the front row. Anyway, we are that kind of geeks.


Nutty - Dec 18, 2003 6:23:48 am PST #178 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I have to say, I was sorry to see that although plenty of good guys and horses got stomped, the pivotal scene where the mumakil go mad and start stomping on their own drivers was lacking. Because there just wasn't enough stomping. Also, nobody ever did get clever enough to shoot for their eyes, or else Rohirrim aim is worse than I thought.

It's all about the new and exciting ways to show carnage in a PG-13 movie, folks.

Another who isn't really a fan of how Arwen came across throughout. I think given my druthers I'd (a) delete her entirely from the proceedings or (b) give her large amounts of agency, i.e. make her Elladan/Elrohir in addition to being Glorfindel, and cut out some of the waffling or (c) make her a do-er of some sort, any sort! Because really, although she was actually in all 3 movies, in the 2nd and 3rd all she did was ride in circles and cry.


amych - Dec 18, 2003 6:29:47 am PST #179 of 3902
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

all she did was ride in circles and cry.

Don't forget having a vision of her perfect fulfillment through mommyhood . Gak. I want an Eowyn of my very own.