smonster, I'm sorry that your audience laughed at those scenes! Though I suppose both reactions (laughing and crying) show that you see the HoYay; it just depends on how you feel about it.
Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.
River ,'Objects In Space'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
Kate P. - Dec 18, 2003 6:00:15 am PST #171 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
amych - Dec 18, 2003 6:12:04 am PST #172 of 3902
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I don't even hate Arwen in the books, nor do I hate Liv Tyler. But, boy, do I hate Liv Tyler as Arwen and the character as portrayed in the movie.
That's it exactly. Although my Liv-thoughts used to be neutral-to-decent, and I'm afraid my seething Arwen!Liv hatred will infect my feelings toward everything else she ever does, ever.
I kept expecting to see Luke Skywalker flying in and around Oliphaunt legs .
Beverly - Dec 18, 2003 6:18:10 am PST #173 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
Ooh! amych is right! The guy behind me cracked, (whitefonted for possible movie scene giveaway. Longshot, but...) "Did we learn nothing from the invasion of Hoth?" I nearly snorted pepsi out my nose.
Katie M - Dec 18, 2003 6:19:27 am PST #174 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Bwah! Aw, cute geek.
Cashmere - Dec 18, 2003 6:19:29 am PST #175 of 3902
Now tagless for your comfort.
Beverly, I have to admit, I was thinking that for myself.
tina f. - Dec 18, 2003 6:20:52 am PST #176 of 3902
That's it exactly. Although my Liv-thoughts used to be neutral-to-decent, and I'm afraid my seething Arwen!Liv hatred will infect my feelings toward everything else she ever does, ever.
This is me as well. I like Arwen in the books well enough, and there was no Arwen hate through most of the first movie and I might have been OK if she didn't have to speak Elvish in every.single.effing.interview.ever. By TTT I had the Arwen!Liv hatred full on.
amych - Dec 18, 2003 6:20:56 am PST #177 of 3902
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
snerk, Bev. I'd ask if we might've been behind you, but we got stuck in the front row. Anyway, we are that kind of geeks.
Nutty - Dec 18, 2003 6:23:48 am PST #178 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I have to say, I was sorry to see that although plenty of good guys and horses got stomped, the pivotal scene where the mumakil go mad and start stomping on their own drivers was lacking. Because there just wasn't enough stomping. Also, nobody ever did get clever enough to shoot for their eyes, or else Rohirrim aim is worse than I thought.
It's all about the new and exciting ways to show carnage in a PG-13 movie, folks.
Another who isn't really a fan of how Arwen came across throughout. I think given my druthers I'd (a) delete her entirely from the proceedings or (b) give her large amounts of agency, i.e. make her Elladan/Elrohir in addition to being Glorfindel, and cut out some of the waffling or (c) make her a do-er of some sort, any sort! Because really, although she was actually in all 3 movies, in the 2nd and 3rd all she did was ride in circles and cry.
amych - Dec 18, 2003 6:29:47 am PST #179 of 3902
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
all she did was ride in circles and cry.
Don't forget having a vision of her perfect fulfillment through mommyhood . Gak. I want an Eowyn of my very own.
Kate P. - Dec 18, 2003 6:32:45 am PST #180 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
The more I think about it, the more I agree with Nutty re: Arwen. I liked her quite a bit in FOTR and wholeheartedly defended PJ's decision to give her Glorfindel's role. But she was so dull and soppy in TTT and ROTK that I couldn't root for her like I wanted to. Remember those rumors about Arwen showing up and fighting at Helm's Deep, that we all mocked so roundly? Maybe that would have worked better after all! Although probably not with Liv Tyler in the role. But she definitely needed to be, as someone said upthread, more subject than object. It ties in, too, with what I said a ways back about when she shows up at Aragorn's coronation. She looks so young! It should be clearer that she is in fact much older than Aragorn. I wish she had been more assertive and less in-sudden-inexplicable-mortal-peril.