There's just no part of this that isn't upsetting.
When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff.
Buffy ,'Lessons'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Dana - Oct 16, 2016 11:31:59 am PDT #9942 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
quester - Oct 16, 2016 11:35:49 am PDT #9943 of 10289
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
The other reason I support banning him is that to do less, now that we know how his actions have hurt people in our community, seems like a slap in the face to those he has hurt, pissed off, or driven away. And I would much rather support them than keep enabling him.
This. I think this is the most important point.
I will consent or vote to ban him, whatever we need to do.
DebetEsse - Oct 16, 2016 11:39:44 am PDT #9944 of 10289
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Can we revise the proposal to something like "Suspend the standard warnings procedure to allow the stompies to immediately ban," which both acknowledges that there is a procedure that we're not following due to the severity of the situation, the the community is behind this choice, and that banning per se is not generally a votable issue?
Connie Neil - Oct 16, 2016 11:41:45 am PDT #9945 of 10289
brillig
I like Debet's proposal.
Dana - Oct 16, 2016 11:45:11 am PDT #9946 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Sure. Revised:
Proposal: Due to a long-term pattern of harassment, suspend the standard warnings procedure to allow the Stompies to ban Polter-Cow from the board immediately.
Amy - Oct 16, 2016 11:49:15 am PDT #9947 of 10289
Because books.
So we're voting to suspend procedure? (Also, I'm fine with that, just clarifying. I ... did not watch a lot of Law and Order, so.)
msbelle - Oct 16, 2016 11:50:08 am PDT #9948 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Yes, the vote is NOT on the banning, the vote is on the suspension of written procedure in this case, so that banning can be immediate without suspension and yada yada.
Cass - Oct 16, 2016 11:58:38 am PDT #9949 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I do think we need to follow our own rules, despite viscerally wanting him gone now now now. Dana's revised proposal is appropriate. We'll vote. We'll give the Stompies the authority to immediately ban and we can hope the community heals and valued members return.
Zenkitty - Oct 16, 2016 11:58:50 am PDT #9950 of 10289
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
I kinda feel like I just got told that that twinge in my knee that I thought was just a thing that happened when a storm was coming is actually a tumor. How could I not have noticed?
Except I know many habits and characteristics I have that would let me not notice. I'm so sorry.
I feel this way too. I'm upset that I never saw it, that I didn't let myself accept the seriousness of what I did see. I'm really sorry, both that we've lost people over this, and that my silence might have in any way contributed to their leaving.
I would vote for Dana's proposal. I feel he's had enough warnings and chances already, and more importantly, if he should return to the board, it would only cause more harm.
Sean K - Oct 16, 2016 12:01:12 pm PDT #9951 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I concur with Debet's proposed language.
There's just no part of this that isn't upsetting.
This.