She didn't even touch her pumpkin. It's a freak with no face.

Willow ,'Help'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


msbelle - Oct 16, 2016 11:50:08 am PDT #9948 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Yes, the vote is NOT on the banning, the vote is on the suspension of written procedure in this case, so that banning can be immediate without suspension and yada yada.


Cass - Oct 16, 2016 11:58:38 am PDT #9949 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I do think we need to follow our own rules, despite viscerally wanting him gone now now now. Dana's revised proposal is appropriate. We'll vote. We'll give the Stompies the authority to immediately ban and we can hope the community heals and valued members return.


Zenkitty - Oct 16, 2016 11:58:50 am PDT #9950 of 10289
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I kinda feel like I just got told that that twinge in my knee that I thought was just a thing that happened when a storm was coming is actually a tumor. How could I not have noticed?
Except I know many habits and characteristics I have that would let me not notice. I'm so sorry.

I feel this way too. I'm upset that I never saw it, that I didn't let myself accept the seriousness of what I did see. I'm really sorry, both that we've lost people over this, and that my silence might have in any way contributed to their leaving.

I would vote for Dana's proposal. I feel he's had enough warnings and chances already, and more importantly, if he should return to the board, it would only cause more harm.


Sean K - Oct 16, 2016 12:01:12 pm PDT #9951 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I concur with Debet's proposed language.

There's just no part of this that isn't upsetting.

This.


Trudy Booth - Oct 16, 2016 12:33:17 pm PDT #9952 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I looked at the Smugglers link and I'm hopping someone can provide some clarification for me. The term "grooming" is used. To my understanding, this is a behavior engaged in by an adult abuser towards a child.

Is this term being used differently than my understanding or is there minor involvement in this long, sad, sordid, saga?


Hil R. - Oct 16, 2016 12:34:29 pm PDT #9953 of 10289
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I haven't heard anything about any kids being involved. It seems like people are expanding the definition of the word.


Dana - Oct 16, 2016 12:35:29 pm PDT #9954 of 10289
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I haven't heard anything like that either.


Sean K - Oct 16, 2016 12:41:01 pm PDT #9955 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I was assuming the use of "grooming" was in the context of "prepping the next target." I still assume that's its only meaning.


beekaytee - Oct 16, 2016 12:43:17 pm PDT #9956 of 10289
Compassionately intolerant

In psychological terms, 'grooming' indicates manipulative behavior on the part of any abuser intent on engaging victim focus. It is most often used in child abuse cases, but is by no means specific to those cases.

Gaslighting, isolating, intimidation, sexualizing...are all part and parcel to grooming, stalking and other abusive behaviors.


Barb - Oct 16, 2016 1:05:23 pm PDT #9957 of 10289
“Not dead yet!”

The only thing I can figure is that the term "grooming" is being used with respect to the promises he was alleged to have made to young writers—of promising to add them to a list of people he "might" follow on Twitter.

Mind you, that's one of the most flabbergasting things I've heard because seriously, who CARES if he follows them on Twitter, but then, I put it down to the fact that I've known him far longer than these people and initially within a far different context.

Man, even typing it out, it looks ridiculous, but it's something I've heard from multiple sources.