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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


bon bon - May 15, 2008 2:08:10 pm PDT #8751 of 10289
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I remember not finding Jon's statistics overwhelming at the time, so here is his original post on voting percentages: [link]

My response at the time was that, of the six threads, two hit 42, and a third was on whether we should close Veronica Mars and when -- as I recall it, the point that everyone disputed was when we should close it, not if we should close it, and so the no preferences carried the day on that vote.

Since that time several new threads have been created with more than 42 votes.


Jesse - May 15, 2008 2:08:22 pm PDT #8752 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That's definitely fair.

At the time, we didn't know if we were going to see a lot of things go all the way through lightbulbs and voting and then just...stop with no resolution because it was a small or limited issue.

I think we've seen that's not the case. I'm ready to let go of it.

Yeah. If we don't need it, we don't need it.


Jon B. - May 15, 2008 2:33:47 pm PDT #8753 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Hey, I do have a suggestion after all. We could agree that if a quorum is reached on any question of a multi-question proposal, then the quorum is considered to have been reached for all parts of the proposal.

Excellent idea. But I would amend that to say RELATED questions in a multi-question proposal. For instance, if the ballot included several new threads proposals and all receive more yeas than nays, I don't think they all should be opened if only one of them reaches the quorum.


-t - May 15, 2008 3:09:43 pm PDT #8754 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

How about Dependent Questions - anything that is along the lines of "If Q1 passes then we need to decide this other thing" doesn't have to pass quorum as long as Q1 does.


-t - May 15, 2008 3:12:08 pm PDT #8755 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Somebody remind me, if a proposal doesn't have 42+ votes can it be brought up again before 6 months?


Laga - May 15, 2008 3:15:43 pm PDT #8756 of 10289
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I don't understand voting if you have no preference but if other people want to I think the option should be available. I like that the person who suggests a proposal has the option of framing the voting how they see fit.


§ ita § - May 15, 2008 3:24:09 pm PDT #8757 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Now, if we'd never had the whole no preference discussion, one could just introduce it ad hoc on a vote by vote basis, no?

Just like I could put forth a vote and frame it as being totted up preferentially? How much control do I actually have?


Kat - May 15, 2008 3:24:19 pm PDT #8758 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I hate no preference on ballots. I guess I fall into the camp of "If you don't have an opinion, don't vote."

Thinking of other voting times, it's pretty rare that you get a No Preference option (Presidential candidates []republican []democrat []don't really care).

And it just seems like such a cop-out. Voting is about deciding, about choosing. And saying, No Preference seems to be saying, "I don't want to choose. I want other people to decide for me. I want people to get what they want, but I don't want to be a part of that process of knowing what the fuck is going on and choosing."


Laga - May 15, 2008 3:30:16 pm PDT #8759 of 10289
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I could put forth a vote and frame it as being totted up preferentially?

you can? neat.


Jesse - May 15, 2008 3:31:11 pm PDT #8760 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Apparently No Preference is an official voting choice, not just an option? [link]

Sophia Brooks: "You may vote yes, no or abstain from the vote for each separate item. Obviously, you may only vote once." It is up to the proposer (when writing the ballot) to determine what sort of vote it will be. The simplest option is a yes/no/no preference vote, but other kinds of votes have successfully been tried.