OK, I was about to do a huge spout on the word "drift", except, of course, it's nowhere in Hec's post.
IOW - WHAT HEC SAID!
Sometimes I miss having powers... Oh. Oh! I know what this is! This is peer pressure! Any second now you're gonna make me smoke tobacco and--and have drugs!
Anya ,'Showtime'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Frankenbuddha - Jul 25, 2003 7:31:44 pm PDT #2154 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:32:54 pm PDT #2155 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Brenda's point is sound -- this is grandfathered bullshit, isn't it?
I'd say that's the prime thing up for debate.
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:32:56 pm PDT #2156 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
So let's watch the drift and follow the letter of the law.
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:34:27 pm PDT #2157 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
You know, not EVERY concesus decision was "bullshit".
The concensus left the possibility for bullshit and hence the now voting -- but we happily managed by concensus for quite some time.
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:37:58 pm PDT #2158 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Trudy, you're using the word "bullshit" more judgmentally than I am.
Like I said upthread "bullshit consensus" equates to me as "decision making before voting came about".
That's all. Someone used the term, it made me smile, and I really had thought the first level meaning had been beaten out of it.
Since it still seems to be bothering you, I'll drop it.
It just had a pithy feel ....
DavidS - Jul 25, 2003 7:38:26 pm PDT #2159 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
You know, not EVERY concesus decision was "bullshit".
True dat.
I don't see a solution that's going to make everybody happy and that's the way it is in grownupland sometimes. I'd rather have the change and I'll vote that way. If the vote goes the other way I'll just do what I've been doing. It's an imposition on one portion of the population whichever way it goes. My feeling is that the status quo inconveniences a larger population, and hence the move to change it.
Elena - Jul 25, 2003 7:39:15 pm PDT #2160 of 10289
Thanks for all the fish.
ita, the problem with the term is that some people use it as shorthand for 'not valid decision'. You use it as shorthand for 'something we decided early on'.
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:41:09 pm PDT #2161 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Pith is hard to let go of, thank you, ita. t claps manfully on shoulder
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:41:57 pm PDT #2162 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's moot now, Elena. I've dropped it. Others can use it as they see semantically fit.
I think the consensuses (consenses?) were all suspect in validity (due to lack of rigour), but not, inherently, the decisions themselves.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 25, 2003 7:44:37 pm PDT #2163 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Elena, those terms aren't mutually exclusive. And, yes, I'm being snarky, cause a lot of people feel the current spoiler policy was "not a valid decision" the way it came about. Hence, the vote.