Pith is hard to let go of, thank you, ita. t claps manfully on shoulder
Mal: Cut it out. Job's not done until we're back on Serenity. Zoe: Sorry, sir. Didn't mean to enjoy the moment.
'Ariel'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:41:09 pm PDT #2161 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:41:57 pm PDT #2162 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's moot now, Elena. I've dropped it. Others can use it as they see semantically fit.
I think the consensuses (consenses?) were all suspect in validity (due to lack of rigour), but not, inherently, the decisions themselves.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 25, 2003 7:44:37 pm PDT #2163 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Elena, those terms aren't mutually exclusive. And, yes, I'm being snarky, cause a lot of people feel the current spoiler policy was "not a valid decision" the way it came about. Hence, the vote.
brenda m - Jul 25, 2003 7:55:03 pm PDT #2164 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
And, yes, I'm being snarky, cause a lot of people feel the current spoiler policy was "not a valid decision" the way it came about. Hence, the vote.
Ken, you brought up the fact that the rule was one of our old "bullshit consensus" decisions. That reminded me of the fact that we had a discussion and vote just two months ago on this very issue - many people felt strongly that we did not want decisions made under the old ways to be suddenly declared "not valid decisions." The decision not to reopen this stuff for the time being was voted on - not bs consensus, not midnight fiat, not invalid in any way. I don't see how this discussion wouldn't fall under that. Can you explain to me why it a) was not a valid decision and b) shouldn't fall under the grandfathering we just voted in?
P.M. Marc - Jul 25, 2003 7:55:21 pm PDT #2165 of 10289
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Brenda's point is sound -- this is grandfathered bullshit, isn't it?
No, I don't think so. It wasn't ever discussed or talked about, and we have already amended the thing that happened with Cross Show discussion, so there's that p. word again.
brenda m - Jul 25, 2003 7:56:30 pm PDT #2166 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Wasn't ever discussed or talked about? Who wrote it then? Why is in the FAQ?
Do we have any access to our archives somewhere? I can't get in to WX, as usual.
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:56:46 pm PDT #2167 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It wasn't ever discussed or talked about
Who made the decision?
Elena - Jul 25, 2003 7:57:26 pm PDT #2168 of 10289
Thanks for all the fish.
It wasn't ever discussed or talked about, and we have already amended the thing that happened with Cross Show discussion, so there's that p. word again.
Plei, p. word? I don't know what that would be.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 25, 2003 8:02:20 pm PDT #2169 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Oh fuckity - did I just make it so the Supremes get to decide this vote?
P.M. Marc - Jul 25, 2003 8:03:28 pm PDT #2170 of 10289
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Can you explain to me why it a) was not a valid decision and b) shouldn't fall under the grandfathering we just voted in?
See above. There was NEVER discussion about it through what were, at the time, the proper channels. Hec's simile about pot laws comes closest too it.
I think that where part of the problem, and part of this misunderstanding comes in about the anger, is that the response here has been from the unspoiled "take it to the spoiler threads", without any real knowledge of what the spoiler thread culture is like, or how that would affect discussion.
Hmm. I'm not making much sense, and I know that.
But, here goes, I'll try.
You are essentially saying "don't ask, don't tell", because as much as I love the discussion in the spoiler thread, it's not really the same as an open discussion about what might happen with, for example, a non-regular Giles (and now I want to make Exlax jokes). It's much more limited, and tends to die out faster. Ghettoized discussion has serious drawbacks.
As a side note, posts made in the Spoiler thread are being judged like they have the same tone as the rest of the board. They don't. It's a subculture, with a language all its own. If you don't know it or speak it, it might seem harsh. It's just... different. Please also take that into consideration.