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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:34:27 pm PDT #2157 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

You know, not EVERY concesus decision was "bullshit".

The concensus left the possibility for bullshit and hence the now voting -- but we happily managed by concensus for quite some time.


§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:37:58 pm PDT #2158 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Trudy, you're using the word "bullshit" more judgmentally than I am.

Like I said upthread "bullshit consensus" equates to me as "decision making before voting came about".

That's all. Someone used the term, it made me smile, and I really had thought the first level meaning had been beaten out of it.

Since it still seems to be bothering you, I'll drop it.

It just had a pithy feel ....


DavidS - Jul 25, 2003 7:38:26 pm PDT #2159 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You know, not EVERY concesus decision was "bullshit".

True dat.

I don't see a solution that's going to make everybody happy and that's the way it is in grownupland sometimes. I'd rather have the change and I'll vote that way. If the vote goes the other way I'll just do what I've been doing. It's an imposition on one portion of the population whichever way it goes. My feeling is that the status quo inconveniences a larger population, and hence the move to change it.


Elena - Jul 25, 2003 7:39:15 pm PDT #2160 of 10289
Thanks for all the fish.

ita, the problem with the term is that some people use it as shorthand for 'not valid decision'. You use it as shorthand for 'something we decided early on'.


Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 7:41:09 pm PDT #2161 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Pith is hard to let go of, thank you, ita. t claps manfully on shoulder


§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 7:41:57 pm PDT #2162 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's moot now, Elena. I've dropped it. Others can use it as they see semantically fit.

I think the consensuses (consenses?) were all suspect in validity (due to lack of rigour), but not, inherently, the decisions themselves.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 25, 2003 7:44:37 pm PDT #2163 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Elena, those terms aren't mutually exclusive. And, yes, I'm being snarky, cause a lot of people feel the current spoiler policy was "not a valid decision" the way it came about. Hence, the vote.


brenda m - Jul 25, 2003 7:55:03 pm PDT #2164 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

And, yes, I'm being snarky, cause a lot of people feel the current spoiler policy was "not a valid decision" the way it came about. Hence, the vote.

Ken, you brought up the fact that the rule was one of our old "bullshit consensus" decisions. That reminded me of the fact that we had a discussion and vote just two months ago on this very issue - many people felt strongly that we did not want decisions made under the old ways to be suddenly declared "not valid decisions." The decision not to reopen this stuff for the time being was voted on - not bs consensus, not midnight fiat, not invalid in any way. I don't see how this discussion wouldn't fall under that. Can you explain to me why it a) was not a valid decision and b) shouldn't fall under the grandfathering we just voted in?


P.M. Marc - Jul 25, 2003 7:55:21 pm PDT #2165 of 10289
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Brenda's point is sound -- this is grandfathered bullshit, isn't it?

No, I don't think so. It wasn't ever discussed or talked about, and we have already amended the thing that happened with Cross Show discussion, so there's that p. word again.


brenda m - Jul 25, 2003 7:56:30 pm PDT #2166 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Wasn't ever discussed or talked about? Who wrote it then? Why is in the FAQ?

Do we have any access to our archives somewhere? I can't get in to WX, as usual.