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P.M. Marc - Jul 25, 2003 1:29:28 pm PDT #2038 of 10289

So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Someone connected to ME or a network says, before the start of the season, "X is joining/leaving the show." That fact is a) publicized in some way (radio spot, tv promo, poster, etc.) or b) shows up in a professional publication (official website, TV Guide ad, article in the Albany Times Union). If this happens, it's okay to go ahead and talk about the fact that X is joining/leaving the show.

As I understand it: Production Company or Network announces, through press release (and this, BTW, I believe happened when the WB annouced their fall schedules, though I could Nilly newspaper articles from May to verify) or promotes through radio, tv, or web spots (by which I mean ads on major websites such as MSN, which I have seen), casting changes.

I would NOT included any newsletters sent by the networks, just press releases and promotional material.

§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 1:29:58 pm PDT #2039 of 10289

Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Just wait ... Jim'll come back and be all "IN EVERY THREAD FUCKOS. EVEN IF IT'S JUST WORD FROM AUNT ETHEL IN SPRINGFIELD."

Steph L. - Jul 25, 2003 1:30:52 pm PDT #2040 of 10289

I look more rad than Lutheranism

Aunt Ethel is never wrong.

Aunt Ethel is going to BE on Angel.

With her lover, Carrot Top.

Sean K - Jul 25, 2003 1:31:15 pm PDT #2041 of 10289

You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Just wait ... Jim'll come back and be all "IN EVERY THREAD FUCKOS. EVEN IF IT'S JUST WORD FROM AUNT ETHEL IN SPRINGFIELD."

"What have you people done to my proposal???"

Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 1:33:40 pm PDT #2042 of 10289

Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Sean

Discussion boards, warnerbros.com, fan sites, none of those would count. Interviews would not count, but ad copy, including quotes, would.

Just as quantifiable as "on air promo," and actually doesn't all that radically change the current policy or definition, as far as I can see.

Burrell

That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox, the WB or ME in press advertising or their official website, are no longer spoilers

I feel that a straightforward reading of these lines ("advertising" = advertisements; official websites != fansites) leaves little to no room for misunderstanding.

Guys, you don't even agree NOW what "officially published by the network or production company" means. AKA, it is NOT obvious.

If the website is a kosher source for information Lorne's head would NOT have been a spoiler.

Or is it a kosher source for major casting information but not minor casting information? THAT would prove tricky.

Jessica - Jul 25, 2003 1:34:34 pm PDT #2043 of 10289

And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Aunt Ethel is going to BE on Angel.

With her lover, Carrot Top.

So. Did. Not. Need. That. Image.

Typo Boy - Jul 25, 2003 1:35:15 pm PDT #2044 of 10289

Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well we have not done anything to it. Because it is Jim's proposal and we can only make suggestions. Writing a proposal under these circumstances is a little like having sex with an audience standing there shouting out helpful suggestions.

Steph L. - Jul 25, 2003 1:35:28 pm PDT #2045 of 10289

I look more rad than Lutheranism

So. Did. Not. Need. That. Image.

You don't know what Aunt Ethel looks like.

Jessica - Jul 25, 2003 1:35:37 pm PDT #2046 of 10289

And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If the website is a kosher source for information Lorne's head would NOT have been a spoiler.

Lorne's head on a platter was not a change to the regular cast over the summer, and therefore WOULD have been a spoiler.

Katie M - Jul 25, 2003 1:36:08 pm PDT #2047 of 10289

I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

If the website is a kosher source for information Lorne's head would NOT have been a spoiler.

The proposal is only about a) casting changes for b) regulars over c) the summer. (Well, the summer thing is an addition of Cindy's, but the first two are solid.) So because Lorne wasn't a regular at that time, and there was no casting change involved, it would still have been a spoiler.

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