Basically what Robert said is my argument.
To put it bluntly, I think the current spoiler policy is tyranny, if only by default, by a small minority. If I find out that is wrong, I will abide by the buffistas' wishes.
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Basically what Robert said is my argument.
To put it bluntly, I think the current spoiler policy is tyranny, if only by default, by a small minority. If I find out that is wrong, I will abide by the buffistas' wishes.
To put it bluntly, I think the current spoiler policy is tyranny, if only by default, by a small minority.
Huh. So I should have no expectation of remaining unspoiled? I don't think I'm being unreasonable about things. I don't get the promos, the promos spoil me, but I'm not saying that people can't talk about them. That would be unreasonable.
What I've been trying to get across is that what people think is everywhere and readily accessible and impossible to avoid might not be.
I think that part of what we are trying to decide here is exactly when something really is, or should be, common knowledge and thus open for general discussion.
Elena, I am talking about the proposed change, not a spoiler free-for-all.
It's the major ME and WB (in this case ALREADY, and especially ME) announced - and announced before the start of the season- changes, that I am talking about. If the majority feels that is too spoilery, fine. I have no problem with abiding. I just feel, for that definition of spoiler, that it is a small minority who are threatened.
If I hadn't had been spoiled by people talking/posting about these things I would still be happily unspoiled. I don't know how many people would be with me.
See, the thing is - I got spoiled by people who just assumed that 'everyone' knew. I'm just trying to get across that, no, not 'everyone' knows these things.
Another problem here is that, for those of us who are already spoiled, there is no way to know whether or not we would mind being spoiled before it happened. That is, if there were in fact some way to ask someone about whether they want to know "Valerie Harper is leaving Angel to do a spinoff" without spoiling them in the process of asking the question.
Linear time sucks. "I Will Remember You" is an anti-spoilage message. It's all so clear now.
See, that's a good point. Because for all I know the things that I know are not the things that you know and we'll never know because asking could cause unwanted knowing!
I only know about one BCS and not the other, and the one I know is the one the WB jumped the gun on, to Joss' expressed (ie. ME) regret. In the absence of that premature announciation, we might be waiting for this season's WB promos to learn that information (except for those on the spoiler circuit).
Like I've said, the short term effect for me is losing access to one thread for a month, so I don't think it is that big a deal. However, as a general policy, my preference would be for the existing policy.
So in that case, you'd have about 5 minutes of thinking anything other than Wesley is a regular.
This is a general "you", I'm going to assume, since a) I don't watch the credits (TiVo), and b) I'd not notice.
Elena, I hear you. However, it is an issue of how small the minority and how inconvenience the majority, no? I have a suspicion Pinwiz will find this out, and he's my upper bar for cast-iron chastity.
Well, this is the place to make arguments against - that's what the thread is for. If you can talk the proposer into quashing the vote, then, and I'm not sure about this, it could go into moritorium. But the whole thing is - we know there are people out there who would like (and through some miracle be able) to remain virgin-pure on these big spoilers. The question is, should that dictate the spoiler policy for the whole board?
At least that's how I see the issue. I don't absolutely care either way in terms of the outcome, but no argument is going to sway against voting for the change. Does that make sense?
edited for faulty paren. Oy, and punctuation. I should just give up.
Elena, I hear you. However, it is an issue of how small the minority and how inconvenience the majority, no?
Oh, ita, absolutely. That's my stance entirely. Because if our spoiler policy were in anyway tyrranical we'd allow no discussion of the promos since those sully my virgin eyes.
But the whole thing is - we know there are people out there who would like (and through some miracle be able to) remain virgin-pure on these big spoilers.
Bolding mine. And here's what I (and, I think Katie) mean about notknowing=livingunderarock. Because, honestly, do you really think that it's that hard to avoid these things? Really? It's not as long as people don't assume that 'everyone' knows.