Up until the punching, it was a real nice party.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Vortex - Aug 11, 2022 7:58:56 pm PDT #16826 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I suspect that the warrant was sealed prior to execution for confidentiality purposes. If Trump had not tweeted that the FBI "raided" Mar-a-Lago, we wouldn't know.

Unsealing the warrant also unseals the grounds for obtaining the warrant, which means that all of the evidence of Trump's misdeeds will be public if the warrant is unsealed. However, Trump can request that the warrant remain sealed, but then he will have to answer the question of what he has to hide.


DavidS - Aug 11, 2022 8:35:22 pm PDT #16827 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Unsealing the warrant also unseals the grounds for obtaining the warrant, which means that all of the evidence of Trump's misdeeds will be public if the warrant is unsealed. However, Trump can request that the warrant remain sealed, but then he will have to answer the question of what he has to hide.

Expertise is sexy, ijs.

Because Trump was visited by the FBI's counterintelligence chief in June trying to get this stuff back, it looks like Trump has shit that he's showing to the Russians at Mar A Lago, with the latest implication being high level nuclear weapon info.

Not that his base cares, but Russia's greatest asset is still betraying his country.


brenda m - Aug 11, 2022 9:09:54 pm PDT #16828 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

That's a college prof thing. K-12 teachers don't get sabbaticals, alas.

Toronto public schools have/had a program where you could choose to have 80% pay for four years and take the fifth as a sabbatical paid with the withheld funds and maintain benefits and tenure. I knew a few people who did that. Not feasible for everyone but in a system that pays reasonably it always sounded so cool.


DavidS - Aug 11, 2022 10:09:29 pm PDT #16829 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Because Trump was visited by the FBI's counterintelligence chief in June trying to get this stuff back, it looks like Trump has shit that he's showing to the Russians at Mar A Lago, with the latest implication being high level nuclear weapon info.

Heather Cox Richardson says it's more base and shittier than treason. Jared wants to sell nuclear technology to the Saudis in a deal worth billions. That's what this is about.


brenda m - Aug 11, 2022 10:22:00 pm PDT #16830 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Ugh. I wouldn’t discount that. Though I also wouldn’t be surprised if they thought they could play Saudis, Russia and who knows else off one another.


Theodosia - Aug 12, 2022 4:33:04 am PDT #16831 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I've heard that it's speculated that Jared is the mole who squealed about the nuclear secrets -- I wonder if he got ordered to negotiate and decided (or rather, Ivanka decided) that was a step that could get him serious jail time that FiL couldn't save him from.

I also wonder if some of those Top Secret documents are excellent blackmail material that Trump wanted to keep close to him to keep the screws going on McCarthy et al.


Laura - Aug 12, 2022 5:25:47 am PDT #16832 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

The speculation is fun, but the only thing that will really do is to see the former occupant convicted. Preferably in NY, and GA, other states, and Federal, with negotiation as to where he serves time first. Alas, I fear it won't matter at all what comes out with his loyal idiot followers. I hope it is a smaller number than we think that still are devoted, but they are so loud, and insane. I fear it will get worse before it gets better.


Vortex - Aug 12, 2022 7:48:18 am PDT #16833 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think that we need to be realistic that he will not serve time. The DOJ will allow him to plead guilty and serve under house arrest, for security reasons. We will have to be content with him being disqualified to serve in federal office again. Which would not prevent him from running for governor of Florida, however. But, then, they deserve him.


Steph L. - Aug 12, 2022 7:56:36 am PDT #16834 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I think that we need to be realistic that he will not serve time. The DOJ will allow him to plead guilty and serve under house arrest, for security reasons. We will have to be content with him being disqualified to serve in federal office again.

If he can't serve in federal office again, I'll be happy with that result.


Amy - Aug 12, 2022 10:50:47 am PDT #16835 of 30000
Because books.

Thank you, Vortex and Hec!

Keeping Trump from federal office would be enough for me. I'd love to see him in prison, but the security issue would probably prevent that. Unfortunately.