Things I learned from you people today:

1) women religious
2) gestational age

WE ARE SMART PEOPLES!!! you know, as a group.

so, I am home. It's not quite 4pm yet. what happened? well mac happened, but in a better than normal way. He got upset at school, and he DID NOT hit anyone, runaway, or break things....he did try to swallow pen tops in order to choke himself and threatened his own safety verbally. So, I made the 40 minute commute in 25 and now we are home. He's fine and we've discussed the wrongheadedness of wanting to hurt someone as awesome as mac because people were making faces and mouthing curse words.

If JZ decides to reject the heretics currently pretending to be the Catholic church and is called upon to become Pope of the real Catholic Church, I totally vote she take the name of Pope Joan II.

X-ost - Msbelle that is awful though I'm glad you had the talk.

I dunno, I like Pope Jacqueline. It's got that Avignon second Vatican lilt to it. I mea, if you're gonna schism, make up your own rules about pope names, too.

Aww, RIP Barnabas Collins.

I can't tell if that's bitterly ironic or just the cycle of life, cultural studies version. But it seems sad.

And msbelle, sorry to hear mac making those sorts of threats. Sounds like you did the right thing. I feel for mac, he has such big emotions.

JZ - The MCC I attended a few times in NYC was very similar to Catholic mass in order or worship and such. schism to a new MCC branch in SF.

Ah, mac. What Burrell said.

I dunno, I like Pope Jacqueline. It's got that Avignon second Vatican lilt to it. I mea, if you're gonna schism, make up your own rules about pope names, too.

Oh yeah, JZ's own name is extremely cool. But Pope Joan II has major mythological echoes.

There's a very crunchy-dancy-wild Episcopal church in Potrero Hill (Jilli's Stunt Husband even dragged his pagan self there a few times when he was dating a churchy San Franciscan and kind of loved it), and I'm pretty sure there are MCCs here as well. And, of course, there's the woman-led Catholic congregation that meets in an Episcopal church once a month in the shadow of the cathedral, to which I know at least one couple in my parish also belongs.

I don't know, I don't know. I want to talk to the other parish council members here. The big Church sucks in many ways, but my own parish? I love it, and I know enough of the people who are running it to be pretty certain that it's not in imminent danger of collapsing or veering hard-right.

eta: No Papacy for me. Too much work! I can barely stay on top of my current to-do list.

So as long as your own Parish remains progressive, it in no way contributes to the power of the right wing institutional church? I know nothing about the mechanics of the Catholic church, so am honestly asking. When the a right wind Bishop goes to tell a politician how to vote, you are not counted among the number of Catholics he represents? No money put in the collection plate at your local church ends up in the hands of the upper hierarchy?

[On Edit: decided not to correct the typo about "right wind Bishop". ]