I think too many of their throwaway lines are fratboy. Period. In Sam, Interrupted, it was practically a quip-fest for Dean, which can make him come off as too cartoonish.
Fred: It's the pictures in my mind that are getting me. It's like being stuck in a really bad movie with those Clockwork Orange clampy things on my eyeballs. Wesley: Why imagine? Reality's disturbing enough.
'Shells'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Marcia - Feb 05, 2010 7:26:55 am PST #5106 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert
P.M. Marc - Feb 05, 2010 7:29:04 am PST #5107 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Actually, I really don't like it from Dean. I think the line fails him more than it fails Anna, because if I take it at face value, he sees her as a former sexual partner gone crazy for no reason (or out of jealousy). And that reflects more on him than it does on her. Yes, it's a betrayal, but not of the beautiful special love they shared, or anything. Woman has a mission that's bigger than sex.
Agreed.
For me, though, and I know I'm holding up the minority here, misogyny is "hatred of women".
I would say that, while I usually see their fail as more along the paternalistic sexism lines, in this case, for the above reasons ita stated, it's showing a character as having a certain unflattering contempt for women, which they've done increasingly since S3, and which I'd rather they dialled back.
Lee - Feb 05, 2010 7:32:17 am PST #5108 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
SHOW!!!
JOHN!!
(sorry, still in my happy place)
P.M. Marc - Feb 05, 2010 7:35:10 am PST #5109 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Hee! JOHN! SAM! MARY!
CREEPY MICHAEL!JOHN! EVEN CREEPIER THAN YED!JOHN!
§ ita § - Feb 05, 2010 7:37:12 am PST #5110 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The timing of this episode with the TNT episodes is pretty great. Getting to see Sam admit to Dean that he never got to say to his father what he needed to...then seeing him do it...then seeing those memories wiped. ::sniff::
Amy - Feb 05, 2010 7:37:21 am PST #5111 of 30002
Because books.
My happy place is huge for this episode. Which is probably why the gender fail stuff confused me.
I'm going to rewatch in a little while, too. For some reason this time this John was much more *John* to me than he was the first time around.
P.M. Marc - Feb 05, 2010 7:38:27 am PST #5112 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
For some reason this time this John was much more *John* to me than he was the first time around.
Me, too. It makes a nice bridge between JDM!John and Young!John.
Marcia - Feb 05, 2010 7:42:29 am PST #5113 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert
It makes a nice bridge between JDM!John and Young!John.
Boy, did it ever!
Last night's episode was a HUGE emotional pay-off. I am very happy with it!
Amy - Feb 05, 2010 7:44:01 am PST #5114 of 30002
Because books.
There was so much to process, my brain short-circuited a few times. And so much angst. And so many callbacks!
The angel thing at the end gave me an actual chill.
Polter-Cow - Feb 05, 2010 7:44:39 am PST #5115 of 30002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I just want to reiterate that that Mary/Anna fight was COMPLETELY BADASS.
(...And hot?)