I was suprised at some convention or another when Jensen really downplayed The Red Hood thing. He sort of implied the studio has the ability to pull him into other gigs and that's how he ended up with that job.

I don't know if his lack of enthusiasm reflected a lack of enthusiasm for the material or some kind of awkwardness about how he landed the role. Regardless, I hear he's great in it.

Marcia I totally agree and further I think it wouldn't have greatly suffered storywise being wincest free. Stories like these should have two versions, one gen so people with a wincest squick can still experience the amazing story. I didn't spoiler font because there aren't any story spoilers that wouldn't be included in the warnings.

The Wincest in Dead Language is skippable? I mean, I'm okay with them being obsessed with each other. I just can't take consummation or desires of such.

I think it wouldn't have greatly suffered storywise being wincest free

Hmmph. I'm pouty.

And clex's story sounds like it was wedged in. But that's what fanfic is for--a place to put your kink into the story.

Amy, if you tell me which chapter to skip, and what happens in it, I might give it a shot. I'm way jonesing, but kinda disappointed that it wasn't an excellent execution.

MOAR FIC NAO.

ita, I'm not sure that it is skippable, but it so could have been with very little excising.

You may want to give it a shot though. The prologue and first chapter are certainly safe, I'd have to assess other chapters.

I don't think the 'cest in Dead Language is skippable, really. It's not blatant, there aren't any graphic scenes (just a couple of mentions) but the emotional aspect is there. I could spoil part of it and say why from one perspective it's not really objectionable, but it's always going to be from the other, and it's not a story you want to start taking apart or skipping.

Amy, I didn't think the emotional aspect was anything beyond what Dean in canon is like anyway. They're emotionally co-dependent.

ETA: I think the storyline forgives a lot of physicality between them too.

Maybe it depends which glasses you're wearing when you read it? I suppose if the few mentions of actual, you know, physicality hadn't been there, I could see that. I think it would be hard to try to read around it, though, especially if it's a big squick, like it is for ita.

Okay, I make my peace with missing the good fic.

Amy, could you spoilerfont why you think it's not objectionable from one perspective? I am hella curious, even if I'm going to pass up on the whole thing.

I hear you, ehab. I agree, it wouldn't have lost any of its genius.

(Yeah, I erred on the side of white-font caution. ::sheepish grin::)

eta: I skimmed the wincest, and what I did manage to catch wasn't hard core explicit -- just OOC for me in what is otherwise really spot-on characterization.

I think it would be hard to try to read around it, though, especially if it's a big squick, like it is for ita.

Yeah. I understand what you're saying, but I also think the emotion and physicality is easily accepted, but for the explicit sexy bits. Though this may speak more to my own ability to accept wincest in the hands of a good writer.