What's the timeline we know?
- 4000 years ago: Everyone's on Kobol
- 2000 years ago: Diaspora and Cylon nuking on Earth
- 50 years ago: 1st Cylon War
- 4 years ago: 2nd Cylon War
- Now: Partial Cylon/Human amnesty
Is that about it?
I got stupid. The money was too good.
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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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§ ita § - Jan 17, 2009 7:48:23 pm PST #6283 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Strega - Jan 17, 2009 7:54:38 pm PST #6284 of 30001
Just watched Galactica, and: hm.
If they're serious about Ellen, and it seems like they are, I have to vote lame. I hope it makes sense later. I'm still very attached to Starbuck being a hybrid.
2,000 odd years ago, Earth was populated by Cylons, who nuked themselves to death.
I'd amend that to: the Earth was populated by Cylons, who had "evolved" into humans, who built Cylons, who rebelled, and kablooey. 'Cause I suspect that's the idea.
victor infante - Jan 18, 2009 4:17:06 am PST #6285 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I sincerely hope that time travel or alternate dimension aren't involved, but right now it makes the most sense to me (in a Stargate universe sort of way.)
I don't think we're seeing any time travel or alternate dimensions. Cloning and artificial intelligence? Yes, but i don't see them reaching outside the framework they've already constructed.
Thus, I don't like the "wormhole" idea floated above for Starbuck. These are things that have never been part of this reality. It would be awkward adding them now.
Jessica - Jan 18, 2009 4:54:25 am PST #6286 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I don't think we're seeing any time travel or alternate dimensions.
Starbuck reported having seen a beautiful green and blue Earth. I vote wormhole time travel because it provides the easiest answer to "who rebuilt her and sent her home?" It's just Occam's Razor.
Thus, I don't like the "wormhole" idea floated above for Starbuck. These are things that have never been part of this reality. It would be awkward adding them now.
So what do you think happened to her?
Incidentally, I don't think you get FTL space travel without wormholes of some kind, so I disagree that they're a new addition to this universe. A new vocabulary word maybe.
victor infante - Jan 18, 2009 5:03:46 am PST #6287 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
So what do you think happened to her?
How about having false memories implanted, which we've seen before with the Cylon spies?
Juliebird - Jan 18, 2009 5:11:27 am PST #6288 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Okay, so the living Starbuck is lab-grown with very specifically designed and implanted memories that include all of dead!Starbuck's minus dying in a fiery explosion.
I'll buy that. Now I want to find out who masterminded this! Unless there's a thirteenth cylon or cylon god(like being), my money's on Ellen.
Jessica - Jan 18, 2009 5:22:38 am PST #6289 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
How about having false memories implanted, which we've seen before with the Cylon spies?
Do you think it's not her body and ship on Earth, then?
victor infante - Jan 18, 2009 5:34:52 am PST #6290 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Do you think it's not her body and ship on Earth, then?
Oh, no. I believe that that's Starbuck's real body. But -- and I suppose this is the central thesis of the show, really -- if the body Starbuck is in is mostly human, looks just like her and has all of her memories (minus some tampering to get her to lead people back to Earth, which seems significant) then who's to say it ISN'T really her?
Laura - Jan 18, 2009 6:45:38 am PST #6291 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.
Starbuck is put in the same position as we are having to figure out what has happened to her. With added extra angst. Personally, I could use a few clones, but she likely won't feel the same way.
There were so many things to love about the episode. Laura broke my heart with her devastation. The raw emotion between Tigh and Adama. Can't wait to see the happy Tigh couple reunion.
I'm very excited about this last run. Dee's end caused me to jump and gasp in a marvelous way. Keep it coming.
dcp - Jan 18, 2009 8:52:12 am PST #6292 of 30001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
if the body Starbuck is in is mostly human, looks just like her and has all of her memories (minus some tampering to get her to lead people back to Earth, which seems significant) then who's to say it ISN'T really her?
"This is my grandfather's axe. My father replaced the haft, and I replaced the head."