I love Ianto as Mr. Steed. I had no idea.
Also - I think that they are over-pushing the Gwen/Jack and agree that it kind of came out of nowhere. (Plus, Gwen/Jack hurts Ianto and Rhys - NOT GOOD.)
The leviathan made me cry. Poor thing.
Looks like civilization finally caught up with us.
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sumi - Feb 17, 2008 4:22:27 am PST #283 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Frankenbuddha - Feb 17, 2008 4:59:04 am PST #284 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
The leviathan made me cry. Poor thing.
They did way too good a job with it's vocalizations.
victor infante - Feb 17, 2008 10:14:39 am PST #285 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
(Plus, Gwen/Jack hurts Ianto and Rhys - NOT GOOD.)
Well, it hurts Rhys. I think Ianto is more inclined to understand Jack's polyamorous perspective.
sumi - Feb 17, 2008 10:33:11 am PST #286 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
I don't know - his reaction at the end didn't seem. . . like a non-reaction. (So unclear - but I felt like it was a bit of a jolt for him.)
Polter-Cow - Feb 17, 2008 11:24:40 am PST #287 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
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victor infante - Feb 17, 2008 12:40:00 pm PST #288 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I don't know - his reaction at the end didn't seem. . . like a non-reaction. (So unclear - but I felt like it was a bit of a jolt for him.)
Perhaps, and while it seems the boundaries of their relationship are still unformed, I think it's a tad unfair to expect serial monogamy from Jack -- it's nothing but an abstract concept to him, one which he's made clear he finds quaint and curious.
I've found it clear that Gwen and Ianto represent different things to Jack, and indeed, the dichotomy of his affections is something I've seen in the few functional polyamorous relationships I've observed. Jack lives a bit vicariously through Gwen's "normal domestic life." It's something part of him wants, but can never have. It's not in his character to have a life outside of the madness and adventure. If he weren't with Torchwood, he'd be off with the Doctor, having another sort of adventure.
He's romanticized Gwen's relationship with Rhys, and consequently, he both wants to protect it and is jealous of it -- he wants her to have her life and he also wants her, but he knows full well having the latter means giving up on the former, which he doesn't want to do.
So, yeah. Jack's seeming inconsistency doesn't seem inconsistent at all to me.
Frankenbuddha - Feb 17, 2008 1:07:49 pm PST #289 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I can totally see that, BUT - I have to make that leap on my own. There's not enough subtext to support the text, so to speak.
eta Or at not enough backstory in this case.
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2008 1:18:48 pm PST #290 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can see that Jack might have those feelings. I just haven't seen them show me how.
Dana - Feb 17, 2008 1:31:53 pm PST #291 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
I'm hoping the Jack/Gwen thing will make sense eventually. Though I'm not counting on it by any means. But this is a show where hot snarky guys make out on a regular basis, so maybe if I close my eyes and wish hard enough, all my dreams will come true.
Trudy Booth - Feb 17, 2008 2:23:36 pm PST #292 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
So, yeah. Jack's seeming inconsistency doesn't seem inconsistent at all to me.
That's pretty much how I see it too. Jack's love for Gwen, based so largely on her being a normal human being with things like empathy and a boyfriend, is un-actable on sexually. It leaves Mr. Libido pining like an Austen heroine. I find the whole thing delicious.