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I don't know - his reaction at the end didn't seem. . . like a non-reaction. (So unclear - but I felt like it was a bit of a jolt for him.)
Perhaps, and while it seems the boundaries of their relationship are still unformed, I think it's a tad unfair to expect serial monogamy from Jack -- it's nothing but an abstract concept to him, one which he's made clear he finds quaint and curious.
I've found it clear that Gwen and Ianto represent different things to Jack, and indeed, the dichotomy of his affections is something I've seen in the few functional polyamorous relationships I've observed. Jack lives a bit vicariously through Gwen's "normal domestic life." It's something part of him wants, but can never have. It's not in his character to have a life outside of the madness and adventure. If he weren't with Torchwood, he'd be off with the Doctor, having another sort of adventure.
He's romanticized Gwen's relationship with Rhys, and consequently, he both wants to protect it and is jealous of it -- he wants her to have her life and he also wants her, but he knows full well having the latter means giving up on the former, which he doesn't want to do.
So, yeah. Jack's seeming inconsistency doesn't seem inconsistent at all to me.
I can totally see that, BUT - I have to make that leap on my own. There's not enough subtext to support the text, so to speak.
eta Or at not enough backstory in this case.
I can see that Jack might have those feelings. I just haven't seen them show me how.
I'm hoping the Jack/Gwen thing will make sense eventually. Though I'm not counting on it by any means. But this is a show where hot snarky guys make out on a regular basis, so maybe if I close my eyes and wish hard enough, all my dreams will come true.
So, yeah. Jack's seeming inconsistency doesn't seem inconsistent at all to me.
That's pretty much how I see it too. Jack's love for Gwen, based so largely on her being a normal human being with things like empathy and a boyfriend, is un-actable on sexually. It leaves Mr. Libido pining like an Austen heroine. I find the whole thing delicious.
Is Auntie coming to iTunes? [link]
Even less reason for me to ahem Doctor Who.
Please let that be US iTunes too!
Dead Ringers does Torchwood. I think they're a touch unkind, and a bit brash. But I wish I could have read those name badges.
Deadringers
and now John Barrowman's extra swishiness of his trenchcoat and declaration of his bright shining teeth in whatever it was I'd watched (Torchwood Confidential?) makes total sense.
ita:
Owen: "Annoying"
Ianto: "Dull and annoying"
Jack: "Camp and annoying"
Gwen: "Welsh"
Thanks, Invisible! I'd only managed to catch Gwen's. Yes, more ungentle with the show than I would be.
