I can totally see that, BUT - I have to make that leap on my own. There's not enough subtext to support the text, so to speak.
eta Or at not enough backstory in this case.
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'Trash'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Frankenbuddha - Feb 17, 2008 1:07:49 pm PST #289 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2008 1:18:48 pm PST #290 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can see that Jack might have those feelings. I just haven't seen them show me how.
Dana - Feb 17, 2008 1:31:53 pm PST #291 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
I'm hoping the Jack/Gwen thing will make sense eventually. Though I'm not counting on it by any means. But this is a show where hot snarky guys make out on a regular basis, so maybe if I close my eyes and wish hard enough, all my dreams will come true.
Trudy Booth - Feb 17, 2008 2:23:36 pm PST #292 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
So, yeah. Jack's seeming inconsistency doesn't seem inconsistent at all to me.
That's pretty much how I see it too. Jack's love for Gwen, based so largely on her being a normal human being with things like empathy and a boyfriend, is un-actable on sexually. It leaves Mr. Libido pining like an Austen heroine. I find the whole thing delicious.
Tom Scola - Feb 17, 2008 3:38:03 pm PST #293 of 30001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2008 4:11:58 pm PST #294 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Please let that be US iTunes too!
Dead Ringers does Torchwood. I think they're a touch unkind, and a bit brash. But I wish I could have read those name badges.
Juliebird - Feb 17, 2008 4:19:28 pm PST #295 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Deadringers
and now John Barrowman's extra swishiness of his trenchcoat and declaration of his bright shining teeth in whatever it was I'd watched (Torchwood Confidential?) makes total sense.
Invisible Green - Feb 17, 2008 6:39:13 pm PST #296 of 30001
ita:
Owen: "Annoying"
Ianto: "Dull and annoying"
Jack: "Camp and annoying"
Gwen: "Welsh"
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2008 8:00:33 pm PST #297 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Thanks, Invisible! I'd only managed to catch Gwen's. Yes, more ungentle with the show than I would be.
Emily - Feb 18, 2008 3:54:53 am PST #298 of 30001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
Hmm. I loved loved loved Ianto as badass, although I do wonder why he was only the officeboy before all this. I rewound to check, and the best I could make out was that he said, "Pray there are five," and I couldn't figure out what it meant.
I HATE the Jack/Gwen thing, partly because it feels unsupported and partly because Gwen seems to be dangerously close to Mary-Suedom for me. But even more do I hate the Tosh yearning. That feels supported, but makes me cringe to the extent I didn't want to watch. Seriously, Tosh! GET THE MESSAGE! Please! You're hurting me!
As for the alien... er. I don't quite see how Owen knew how to euthanize it (one dose sedates, but if that doesn't work just double the dose and you get death? With unknown alien physiology? Sounds like zat-gun convenience to me). I suppose Torchwood was trapped and endangered by the thrashing, but that was all very confusingly shot. I don't know, the whole thing was weird to me. Gwen/Rhys was lovely, and I adore Ianto. Otherwise, eh.