Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Spike's Bitches 34: They're All Slime and Antlers  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Atropa - Jan 17, 2007 12:33:45 pm PST #1444 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Being childless somehow meant that we weren't a "real" family--that we weren't "real" adults. Some people were (and are) downright patronizing about it.

I've run into that attitude a lot. In fact, someone once told me "Oh, once you outgrow this whole goth thing, you'll change you're mind about kids". I just boggled at them.


Aims - Jan 17, 2007 12:35:51 pm PST #1445 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

puts away cable knit sweaters to save for when Jilli grows out of the Goth thing


Pix - Jan 17, 2007 12:36:06 pm PST #1446 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I've run into that attitude a lot. In fact, someone once told me "Oh, once you outgrow this whole goth thing, you'll change you're mind about kids". I just boggled at them.

My eyes just rolled so hard that they fell back into my skull and are rattling around in there like a rainmaker.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not.

ETA:

puts away cable knit sweaters to save for when Jilli grows out of the Goth thing

BWAH!!! What, no gauchos?


Aims - Jan 17, 2007 12:36:49 pm PST #1447 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

t kermit waves at Kristin

I'm over here!


Pix - Jan 17, 2007 12:37:31 pm PST #1448 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

t tacklehugs Aimee

Miss you, chica.


vw bug - Jan 17, 2007 12:38:21 pm PST #1449 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

Boy, this has been an interesting discussion to read. It's reminded me, though, of the other spectrum...how many times I've been told that it'd be irresponsible for me to have children. And I do think about it and wonder if it would be worth it, or if I should try to fight for the right to adopt.

Then I wonder what kind of parent I would be. I've changed so much since the days where I was so certain in my parenting skills. I actually told one of my two-year-old's the other day, "It's ok to be angry. You can be angry." One of the other little girls responded, "He's not angry! He wants his mom!" And, I was like, whoa. Ok, so what works for me may not work for kids. Hmmm...interesting.


Atropa - Jan 17, 2007 12:39:15 pm PST #1450 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

puts away cable knit sweaters to save for when Jilli grows out of the Goth thing

Gosh, how, er, thoughtful. Or something.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not.

There are so many times when I want to reply to people with "So, why did you think that's an appropriate thing to say to anyone, much less another adult?" But then I realize that I probably don't want to have That Sort Of Discussion with someone who would say things like that, anyway.


Pix - Jan 17, 2007 12:39:17 pm PST #1451 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Btw, Plei?

I'm twitchy about this, because I *know* I'm judged by SAHM friends for working and having my kid in daycare, for not totally subsuming myself under the needs of the child. I strive to be good enough as a parent, and to raise a kid who is as happy and well-adjusted as possible, but not by sacrificing myself on the alter of a mythical perfect childhood.

I think that this is what makes you a healthy parent, which in my mind translates to a good one.


Aims - Jan 17, 2007 12:44:14 pm PST #1452 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Miss you, too babycakes.

Gosh, how, er, thoughtful. Or something.

Always lookin' out, babe.


P.M. Marc - Jan 17, 2007 12:46:03 pm PST #1453 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think that this is what makes you a healthy parent, which in my mind translates to a good one.

Thanks!

I'm constantly shocked and alarmed by the various messages parents get, and the way parents judge other parents. I mean, what works for your family doesn't have to work for mine, you know?

There are pros and cons to everything. Would Lillian be happier with me at home all the time? Probably. But on the pro side, she's being raised with the notion of a professional woman as the norm, so it's a trade off.