I think I actually would be happy to stand by my original wording; can anybody Nilly me a link?

Betsy HP "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 20, 2003 10:33:58 pm EST

Here is a formal proposal for the next vote (assuming it gets four seconds).

All decisions made within the last three months are subject to a waiting period before being reopened. This waiting period shall be the standard Buffista post-vote waiting period, and shall begin from the passage of this proposal. (--Betsy HP)

Seconds (note, only four are required, more were made, and so are included here):

P.M. Marcontell "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 20, 2003 10:34:42 pm EST

bitterchick "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 20, 2003 10:36:17 pm EST

askye "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 20, 2003 10:36:35 pm EST

Sophia Brooks "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 20, 2003 10:36:57 pm EST

Hil R. "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 20, 2003 10:36:59 pm EST

Jess PMoon "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 20, 2003 10:42:33 pm EST

The discussion that inspired the proposal began at least a thousand posts prior to this very one, if anyone wants to see how it came about.

The wording on that looks perfect to me. Anybody see emendations that are needed?

"A positive decision is assumed to have been made if it was put into effect; a negative decision is assumed to have been made if an idea was discussed and dropped."

Oh - was Anne W. working up a list of specific decisions? Do we want or need to wait for her to finish, or should we just go ahead with the blanket statement?

The wording on that looks perfect to me. Anybody see emendations that are needed?

It looks good, but I think any emendation suggestions should wait until it's in discussion right?

Someone, I forget who (Anne maybe?), was going to make a list of all the decisions we've made. That list should definitely be appended. t edit x-post w/ Brenda.

Also, do we want to say "shall begin from the passage of this proposal" or "shall begin from the time the decision was made or idea was dropped"? With the former, assuming the current ballot passes, there will be things that we won't be reconsidering until 9 months after the initial decision. Which may be fine -- I don't have a strong opinion either way.

Oh - was Anne W. working up a list of specific decisions? Do we want or need to wait for her to finish, or should we just go ahead with the blanket statement?

I cannot express enough how helpful this list would be for this issue.

She's working on it.

I believe the idea was that to avoid massive pain in the discussion, the proposer would put forward a final ballot; the discussion would be about "yes" or "no", not about tweaking the ballot. Otherwise you run into consensus issues again.

Or did I misunderstand?

edit: see here: Cindy "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 27, 2003 2:11:26 pm EST

Betsy, as I understand it, you make the initial proposal but after discussion you have the freedom to amend at will until the end when you post a final ballot.