A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Someone, I forget who (Anne maybe?), was going to make a list of all the decisions we've made. That list should definitely be appended.
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x-post w/ Brenda.
Also, do we want to say "shall begin from the passage of this proposal" or "shall begin from the time the decision was made or idea was dropped"? With the former, assuming the current ballot passes, there will be things that we won't be reconsidering until 9 months after the initial decision. Which may be fine -- I don't have a strong opinion either way.
Oh - was Anne W. working up a list of specific decisions? Do we want or need to wait for her to finish, or should we just go ahead with the blanket statement?
I cannot express enough how helpful this list would be for this issue.
I believe the idea was that to avoid massive pain in the discussion, the proposer would put forward a final ballot; the discussion would be about "yes" or "no", not about tweaking the ballot. Otherwise you run into consensus issues again.
Or did I misunderstand?
edit: see here: Cindy "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 27, 2003 2:11:26 pm EST
Betsy, as I understand it, you make the initial proposal but after discussion you have the freedom to amend at will until the end when you post a final ballot.
I believe the idea was that to avoid massive pain in the discussion, the proposer would put forward a final ballot; the discussion would be about "yes" or "no", not about tweaking the ballot.
That's certainly what I understood.
and I thought you could suggest things you'd like to see on the ballot, and why, but the final decision lay with the proposer.
A combination of what Deena, Dana and Betsy said. People can make suggestions, but the ballot doesn't get stuck because people can't compromise on a decision between something like 3 and 4 (erm...hypothetically).
Because it's Betsy's ballgame, we won't reach the gridlock we reached last time. The final wording is decided by the proposer. The only decision the community-at-large has is with our yea or nay votes.
I believe the idea was that to avoid massive pain in the discussion, the proposer would put forward a final ballot; the discussion would be about "yes" or "no", not about tweaking the ballot.
and I thought you could suggest things you'd like to see on the ballot, and why, but the final decision lay with the proposer.
I agree with Deena. A discussion strictly about yes or no is not going to get very far unless the proposer has leeway to amend/change the ballot to reflect the discussion. So the ballot proposed by Betsy can be debated and discussed, with Betsy having leeway to make changes and posting a final version.
(FTR, one problem with this method is that I believe any ballot proposed, seconded, and posted will get the MVT of 42, even if it's about Monkeys or Nutty butts and if people are unhappy with the way a ballot is crafted and the only recourse is not to vote, it won't keep the issue from getting moratoriumed. Hopefully the responsible Buffista proposers will be careful to craft the ballot so it's truly fair and representative.)
partial x-post with Cindy
Okay. I wield the pen and promise to wield it monkey wisefnordly.
