'Conviction (1)'
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OK, this is a very UnAmerican thing to post: an Israeli football
soccer team is going to play against Manchester United today.
And it's even BtVS related because Spike mentioned MU as one of the reasons not to destroy the world, along with dog races and happy meals with legs.
Don't mind me, I'm just so glad being here.
Go Israeli team!
For that matter, go any team that plays Man Utd, ever.
Blimey! This is nice, isn't it. Mmmm.
Perfect tagline, Angus, even if the end of the Last Battle is a disturbing eschatological copout.
Made it! Weeeheeee!
Hello Fellow Unamericans. We're going to be needing this thread again starting next Sunday. Darn it.
Starting Friday, if you're following Firefly -- which I haven't heard anything about it being syndicated to UnAmerican locales. Of course it may suck like a sucking thing, so in which case you'd be spared.
For that matter, go any team that plays Man Utd, ever.
aren't they on a bit of a losing streak?
aren't they on a bit of a losing streak?
Karmicly (sic?) they most certainly are.
I guess Beckham shouldn't have grown out his World Cup hair.
Perfect tagline, Angus, even if the end of the Last Battle is a disturbing eschatological copout.
I know, Jim! All that Platonic crap, I normally hate it, but somehow here it seems appropriate.
(I always wanted to ask C.S. Lewis, though, if the adventures in the "old" Narnia were but a pale shadow of the world to come, does that also apply to Aslan's death and resurrection? How can a world without pain and death be more real than this one? I seem to remember that striking me as a theological problem even when I was eight-ish.)
(I always wanted to ask C.S. Lewis, though, if the adventures in the "old" Narnia were but a pale shadow of the world to come, does that also apply to Aslan's death and resurrection? How can a world without pain and death be more real than this one? I seem to remember that striking me as a theological problem even when I was eight-ish.)
I think Anselm's the best bet for that one (the Ontological argument, of course, is very Platonic in nature). I'm thinking particularly of his reply to Gaunilo, who claimed that if his argument established the existence of God, then it would also do the same for perfect islands and such like. Anselm's answer was more or less that any other such perfection was contingent - perfect for what? In which case, that which is most real is that which is most perfect simply by virtue of itself, this then being moral perfection (it being the only form of perfection that does not require explication in other terms).
In which case, if you're starting from this viewpoint that Platonic reality is tied to moral perfection (and I think Lewis was, Anselm being in the Christian tradition after all), then you get to the interestingly Eastern position that pain and suffering is an illusion, to some degree or another.