I don't think the episode with his wife is completely clear cut, either, although it was ugly and obscene on every level.
Oh, yeah, baby, it's snakalicious in here.
Xander ,'Empty Places'
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Amy - Apr 02, 2012 10:15:09 am PDT #4278 of 7329
Because books.
Jessica - Apr 02, 2012 10:22:45 am PDT #4279 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
he was actually very young and in a family that is certainly psychologically abusive. How do we compute that?
In that case, why does he get more of a pass than Cersei or Jamie?
Amy - Apr 02, 2012 10:25:47 am PDT #4280 of 7329
Because books.
Well, he's not out there killing people and taking people's kids hostage, for one. He comes across to me right now as someone with the unhappy task of trying to cover his family's ass, as well as his own, but he's also honest about the people he respects, even if he doesn't like them.
I don't think Jaime is terribly evil, either, really. He seems to be completely under the thumb of his father and his sister, and given a choice, he'd probably be happy to simply have incestuous loving with Cersei on the regular, as long as he had money.
Jessica - Apr 02, 2012 10:27:39 am PDT #4281 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I don't think Jaime is terribly evil, either, really.
You mean other than that time he pushed a 7 year-old out of a window?
Amy - Apr 02, 2012 10:30:34 am PDT #4282 of 7329
Because books.
Oh, man, I forgot that, too. Um, oops? There are a lot of things to keep track of!
I think Jaime is possibly stupider than he is evil? Although that was evil, for sure. It also seemed like pure id to me, though. Which doesn't really make a difference for Bran, but.
And just to be clear, I read the first book and am not quite halfway through the second, but that's all I know.
sumi - Apr 02, 2012 11:33:40 am PDT #4283 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!
It will be interesting to see how the tv show portrays the journeys of the Lannisters. They are complicated and possibly all more than a little crazy by our standards.
Kalshane - Apr 02, 2012 12:17:06 pm PDT #4284 of 7329
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
I think sumi and I are on the same page regarding the characters.
Jamie grows into a more sympathetic character for me over the course of the books. (there's a point in book 2 or 3 where I said to myself "damn it, I can't hate him anymore!") Cersei never does.
I agree with Amy that the one conversation with Robert and Cersei does wonders for both their characters on the show. Also her conversation with Caitlyn about her first born.
le nubian - Apr 02, 2012 1:37:06 pm PDT #4285 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I'm not sure I will forgive Jamie or Cersei anytime soon (I have not read the books). I find them both really odious.
and I want Joffrey to DIAF.
Hot.
sumi - Apr 03, 2012 7:09:24 am PDT #4286 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!
-t - Apr 03, 2012 7:17:00 am PDT #4287 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
That's pretty good. I like the mockingbird pin reference. And
What's more impressive than a fur-covered man-bag? An actual wolf.