Willow ,'Storyteller'
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I think sumi and I are on the same page regarding the characters.
Jamie grows into a more sympathetic character for me over the course of the books. (there's a point in book 2 or 3 where I said to myself "damn it, I can't hate him anymore!") Cersei never does.
I agree with Amy that the one conversation with Robert and Cersei does wonders for both their characters on the show. Also her conversation with Caitlyn about her first born.
I'm not sure I will forgive Jamie or Cersei anytime soon (I have not read the books). I find them both really odious.
and I want Joffrey to DIAF.
Hot.
That's pretty good. I like the mockingbird pin reference. And
What's more impressive than a fur-covered man-bag? An actual wolf.
In that case, why does he get more of a pass than Cersei or Jamie?
For me, it's because what he learned from that whole horrific episode (and I'd question the "willingly participating" bit) is that his father is an evil shitbag, that no-one else in his family will protect him from his father, and that if he wants to be anything but a tool in his fathers hands he'll have to be twice as clever and careful as everybody else in the world. Unfortunately, he's also learned that pretty much everybody else in the world is an evil shitbag of one sort or another.
What Jaime and Cersei have learned from their own horrific episodes is that being an evil shitbag is awesome.
There's no way to continue this conversation without TV spoilers, so I'll just say I disagree. I think Tyrion gets a pass with fans because fantasy readers prefer the unpopular smart kid to the prom queen/football captain. But I don't think you can look honestly at the actions of any of them and say Tyrion is objectively a better or nicer person than his siblings.
So far Tyrion has been okay but I acknowledge bad shit is coming. Like Winter.
I don't know that Tyrion gets a pass (and you're right, this is tough to talk about without getting into spoilers) but unlike the rest of his family, he spends a good amount of time trying to do the right thing (and mostly getting shit on for it).
Of course, he also does some pretty horrible things as well. Though some of that stems from the afforementioned being shit on (not that it makes it okay).
Yes, the Lannister family are all warped.