Well, he's not out there killing people and taking people's kids hostage, for one. He comes across to me right now as someone with the unhappy task of trying to cover his family's ass, as well as his own, but he's also honest about the people he respects, even if he doesn't like them.
I don't think Jaime is terribly evil, either, really. He seems to be completely under the thumb of his father and his sister, and given a choice, he'd probably be happy to simply have incestuous loving with Cersei on the regular, as long as he had money.
I don't think Jaime is terribly evil, either, really.
You mean other than that time he pushed a 7 year-old out of a window?
Oh, man, I forgot that, too. Um, oops? There are a lot of things to keep track of!
I think Jaime is possibly stupider than he is evil? Although that was evil, for sure. It also seemed like pure id to me, though. Which doesn't really make a difference for Bran, but.
And just to be clear, I read the first book and am not quite halfway through the second, but that's all I know.
It will be interesting to see how the tv show portrays the journeys of the Lannisters. They are complicated and possibly all more than a little crazy by our standards.
I think sumi and I are on the same page regarding the characters.
Jamie grows into a more sympathetic character for me over the course of the books. (there's a point in book 2 or 3 where I said to myself "damn it, I can't hate him anymore!") Cersei never does.
I agree with Amy that the one conversation with Robert and Cersei does wonders for both their characters on the show. Also her conversation with Caitlyn about her first born.
I'm not sure I will forgive Jamie or Cersei anytime soon (I have not read the books). I find them both really odious.
and I want Joffrey to DIAF.
Hot.
That's pretty good. I like the mockingbird pin reference. And
What's more impressive than a fur-covered man-bag? An actual wolf.
In that case, why does he get more of a pass than Cersei or Jamie?
For me, it's because what he learned from that whole horrific episode (and I'd question the "willingly participating" bit) is that his father is an evil shitbag, that no-one else in his family will protect him from his father, and that if he wants to be anything but a tool in his fathers hands he'll have to be twice as clever and careful as everybody else in the world. Unfortunately, he's also learned that pretty much everybody else in the world is an evil shitbag of one sort or another.
What Jaime and Cersei have learned from their own horrific episodes is that being an evil shitbag is awesome.
There's no way to continue this conversation without TV spoilers, so I'll just say I disagree. I think Tyrion gets a pass with fans because fantasy readers prefer the unpopular smart kid to the prom queen/football captain. But I don't think you can look honestly at the actions of any of them and say Tyrion is objectively a better or nicer person than his siblings.
