I can't make it all the way through that "critique".

I tried a bit, but the grammar errors bugged me too much to continue. The mixed up pronouns and the use of the wrong words like tiggy mentioned, it just hurts my head too much to read.

Just a reminder of why I don't stray far from home.

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I have a screed (or rebuttal of same, I guess) in need of facts.

BadgesFacts? We don't need no stinkin' BadgesFacts!!! This is the internet!!!

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I can't make it all the way through that "critique". Is it ever mentioned that Duncan was also drugged when the "rape" happened? That's a crucial bit o' info that the writer conveniently leaves out.

That is exactly the information which prompted me to respond to it at all. Then I reviewed the whole thing again today, and realized I was gonna need a bigger boat, which is why I'm doing the series of lj posts. No more than one of us should have to read through the whole thing AND try to respond. I'll link 'em here, as I make my way through the dross.

BadgesFacts? We don't need no stinkin' BadgesFacts!!! This is the internet!!!

Normally, you know I'm all over that, Narrator. But I do think the discussion of Wallace and Jackie, and the rape issue deserve serious consideration, even where the blog doesn't.

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Is it ever mentioned that Duncan was also drugged when the "rape" happened?

Is there a reason you put "rape" in quotes, Jon? Is it to indicate that it wasn't a "real rape"?

Within the context of the show, we see in the first episode the flashback where Veronica describes it as a rape when she goes to the police. So there's that.

Also, sex without consent is not "rape." Sex without consent is rape. It's not maybe-rape. Show me where Veronica said yes.

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The implication of the show is that she consented, but didn't remember consenting (or, obviously, anything about the encounter) the next morning. Certainly, drugged!Duncan THOUGHT she was consenting, and the description provided by him, Carrie, and the (admittedly unreliable) flashbacks seems to show that she was rather happy with the situation when it happened. I'm not sure that qualifies as rape - to some extent, I believe intention matters.

I mean, the next morning Duncan was as unconsenting as Veronica was. Was he raped?

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Thanks Gris. That's how I remember what happened on the show and is exactly why I used the quotes.

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I think the rape (and Tep's right on in that it's rape) is different than what we're used to, because the rapist(s) ends up being a series of events more than a person, so I understand why some people don't think of it as a rape, and I also understand Veronica's reactions (and lack thereof) once she has the facts about Shelly's party.

Veronica was drugged without either her consent or knowledge, and had her ability to consent stolen from her. She was raped.

Duncan was drugged without either his consent or knowledge, and had his ability to consent stolen from him. He was raped.

Veronica's ability to consent to sex was stolen as the result of unforeseen consequences, or at least was stolen more quickly as the result of unforeseen consequences. Dick intended to steal Madison's ability to consent. Madison only intended to steal Veronica's ability to consent (or refuse) to swallowing Madison's saliva. When coupled with whatever alcohol Veronica willingly consumed (at least the first Madison-spit-spiked rum and Coke) and those drinks poured down her throat by a whole group of guys, once her ability to consent to drink was removed as a result of consuming rum and (unbeknownst to her or anyone else) GHB.

Duncan's ability to consent was stolen from him by Logan, who spiked his drink with GHB.

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So Duncan and Veronica were both raped, but there was no actual rapist? Or did Veronica have multiple rapists, and Logan raped Duncan, despite that the only sex was between them? Do I rape myself if I intentionally drink past the point of knowing what I'm doing, or dose myself with GHB? All very confusing.

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So Duncan and Veronica were both raped, but there was no actual rapist?

Their sex partners were not the rapists. Acts were perpetrated which resulted in events and circumstance in which it was impossible for the participants to consent to sex.

Or did Veronica have multiple rapists, and Logan raped Duncan, despite that the only sex was between them?

No. There's no human rapist.

Do I rape myself if I intentionally drink past the point of knowing what I'm doing, or dose myself with GHB?

No, but you're not (legally, at least in some places) or morally (imo) capable of consenting to sex. If someone else has sex with you (someone who can consent) that person is raping you.

It's been a long time since I took Business Law, but if I recall correctly, you are also not bound by contracts you sign while intoxicated.

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Back on the consent schtick for a minute, consent is why sex with a minor is considered (statutory) rape. A minor is not able to give consent to sex acts.

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