Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.
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The implication of the show is that she consented, but didn't remember consenting (or, obviously, anything about the encounter) the next morning. Certainly, drugged!Duncan THOUGHT she was consenting, and the description provided by him, Carrie, and the (admittedly unreliable) flashbacks seems to show that she was rather happy with the situation when it happened. I'm not sure that qualifies as rape - to some extent, I believe intention matters.
I mean, the next morning Duncan was as unconsenting as Veronica was. Was he raped?
Thanks Gris. That's how I remember what happened on the show and is exactly why I used the quotes.
I think the rape (and Tep's right on in that it's rape) is different than what we're used to, because the rapist(s) ends up being a series of events more than a person, so I understand why some people don't think of it as a rape, and I also understand Veronica's reactions (and lack thereof) once she has the facts about Shelly's party.
Veronica was drugged without either her consent or knowledge, and had her ability to consent stolen from her. She was raped.
Duncan was drugged without either his consent or knowledge, and had his ability to consent stolen from him. He was raped.
Veronica's ability to consent to sex was stolen as the result of unforeseen consequences, or at least was stolen more quickly as the result of unforeseen consequences. Dick intended to steal Madison's ability to consent. Madison only intended to steal Veronica's ability to consent (or refuse) to swallowing Madison's saliva. When coupled with whatever alcohol Veronica willingly consumed (at least the first Madison-spit-spiked rum and Coke) and those drinks poured down her throat by a whole group of guys, once her ability to consent to drink was removed as a result of consuming rum and (unbeknownst to her or anyone else) GHB.
Duncan's ability to consent was stolen from him by Logan, who spiked his drink with GHB.
So Duncan and Veronica were both raped, but there was no actual rapist? Or did Veronica have multiple rapists, and Logan raped Duncan, despite that the only sex was between them? Do I rape myself if I intentionally drink past the point of knowing what I'm doing, or dose myself with GHB? All very confusing.
So Duncan and Veronica were both raped, but there was no actual rapist?
Their sex partners were not the rapists. Acts were perpetrated which resulted in events and circumstance in which it was impossible for the participants to consent to sex.
Or did Veronica have multiple rapists, and Logan raped Duncan, despite that the only sex was between them?
No. There's no human rapist.
Do I rape myself if I intentionally drink past the point of knowing what I'm doing, or dose myself with GHB?
No, but you're not (legally, at least in some places) or morally (imo) capable of consenting to sex. If someone else has sex with you (someone who can consent) that person is raping you.
It's been a long time since I took Business Law, but if I recall correctly, you are also not bound by contracts you sign while intoxicated.
Back on the consent schtick for a minute, consent is why sex with a minor is considered (statutory) rape. A minor is not able to give consent to sex acts.
So Veronica and Duncan were both raped even though no one raped them....
The implication of the show is that she consented, but didn't remember consenting (or, obviously, anything about the encounter) the next morning.
A person who's impaired (drunk, high, mentally handicapped, asleep) cannot, by definition, give consent. Yes, physically, their mouth can open and words can come out. But it's not fully informed consent, and is, therefore, rape. There is no other term for it.
Do I rape myself if I intentionally drink past the point of knowing what I'm doing, or dose myself with GHB?
No, what you're doing in that case is incapacitating yourself such that you are unable to consent. Anyone who had sex with you while you were in such a state would, in fact, be raping you.
If someone else has sex with you (someone who can consent) that person is raping you.
Huh. So I could dose myself with GHB, sleep with the girl that's been after me for a long time but I wouldn't normally touch with a 10-foot pole, wake up the next morning horrified, and successfully prosecute her for rape? Even if she had NO IDEA I was GHBed?
That seems... off to me.
consent is why sex with a minor is considered (statutory) rape
Which'd make it rape anyway, even if they weren't GHBed up.
