I'm annoyed they made me think Veronica was someone who did not grow as an adult. Logan seemed like a functional human being who had been through trauma, done some messed up things, decided to change, and sought therapy for himself and wanted the same for Veronica. Veronica is broken and doesn't want to let that go. But the wedding stuff made me think the show actually thought she did grow? Especially with his death, because if he was alive, then we could have seen their marriage be terrible! But I think they wanted us to feel she was "fixed" emotionally and Logan's death rebroke her???

I guess, if they wanted her to be broken, which I don't think she needs to be, I wanted to see Logan tell her that although their broken pieces fit together, he couldn't be with her unless she worked on herself, and though he loved her, he needed to leave. But really, I would have been happy to see Veronica self reflect, work on herself, and do detective work all over with her past trauma informing her, but not running her. She doesn't have to be broken. She was so strong as a teenager!

Wow. I didn't know I was that angry! I think Veronica suffered from a milder version of what happened in Gilmore Girls with Rory.

I think Veronica and Logan needed to end, but the way this worked felt false for Logan. (And Veronica). I didn't expect the wedding to happen, because it felt so false. He should have left. I think this was a way of saying never, which I get.

The wedding felt like fan-pandering (of the embarrassing kind) and since it was immediately followed by the explosion, it then turned into Jossian AR-in-the-BR-in-SR "Don't give 'em what they want, give 'em what they need."

I think what I'm getting at is that whether or not Rob actually thinks this, or meant to convey it to the audience, as a longtime fan, all I could smell after that explosion was some weird contempt for the fandom.

I enjoyed the 2014 crowd-funded movie, but even when I watched it for the first time, it felt like wish-fulfillment fan fiction.

It all feels like Rob tried to give fans everything he thought they wanted in the film, then grew resentful (or maybe stung by some of the valid critiques of it), and struck back in the revival. The thing is, he didn't have to make the movie that O-T-T fan service.

I'm annoyed they made me think Veronica was someone who did not grow as an adult. Logan seemed like a functional human being who had been through trauma, done some messed up things, decided to change, and sought therapy for himself and wanted the same for Veronica. Veronica is broken and doesn't want to let that go. But the wedding stuff made me think the show actually thought she did grow? Especially with his death, because if he was alive, then we could have seen their marriage be terrible! But I think they wanted us to feel she was "fixed" emotionally and Logan's death rebroke her???

I got really annoyed by the drug use, and I'm not sure why. Adults willingly partaking in substances isn't something that ruffles my feathers. Maybe because she was dosed with GHB and raped as a kid, seeing her take X with someone she just met at a club felt not like Veronica.

I don't understand why she was so far behind Logan in her growth. I also don't understand why she wasn't a lawyer in San Diego or something, who came back to Neptune to help Keith with a case, while he was having health problems.

It's like Rob doesn't want her to be a PI in Neptune, but he's the one that made the choice to make her one.

If I were King of the Forest, Veronica would always be a PI in Neptune, and it would always be some dirty little town without pity. Keith's connections (like Cliff, Vinnie, whomever at the Sheriff's department) would be eventually replaced by Veronica's connections in this seedy little place.

Wow. I didn't know I was that angry! I think Veronica suffered from a milder version of what happened in Gilmore Girls with Rory.

When I watched s4, I had no desire to re-watch it. That has never happened to me with Veronica Mars. I even fell asleep a couple of times, and when dh offered to rewatch the stuff I missed, I didn't care about it (that's so not me).

At the end, I felt like I had closure, not the kind I wanted (or, arguably, that a showrunner should want me to have). I just didn't want more Veronica Mars anymore. That's the first time I've felt that way in a dozen years.

Now when I think about it, I get a little angry too, so I usually end up not thinking about it.

It's like Rob doesn't want her to be a PI in Neptune, but he's the one that made the choice to make her one.

That's it right there! I did really like the novels after the movie (I think there were two), where she was just a PI in a seedy town. I could have read a hundred of them.

I am unclear what story he wants to tell with her now. But pick one- is she broken and it is a story of healing or is she healed and it is a loner detective Kinsey Mulhone thing. But there was no need to break her because she was clearly not doing well! Was I supposed to think she was doing well? Very mixed messages.

Admittedly, I haven't actually read the interviews with Rob, I've just heard about them secondhand through pissed fans on Tumblr / Twitter. But apparently, yes, he believes he's doing "not what we want, but what we need". And also that a married thirtysomething female PI is "not believable" and she needs to be available for sex relationships, which makes every feminist bone in my body rage with hellfire. And something something strong woman has to suffer "because noir!" Oh, hell no.

She doesn't have to be broken. She was so strong as a teenager!

This is such a better summary of my ragey feelings!

(What is the saying? Writers who think that people in stable relationships are boring are in actuality just bad writers?)

But, what I wanted was not a Logan/Veronica wedding after I had been clearly shown they were, at that time, u suited to each other and Veronica was actually toxic to Logan. I might have wanted a non toxic Logan/Veronica where he was just away most of the time and she was detecting, or one where she was grown up and he was toxic (isn't he the femme fatale) or one where they got married and it was awful and they had to deal with it. Any number of things. But I could not believe that the Veronica I had been shown should be happily married to the Logan I was shown and that one really hot dream about Leo would lead her to that conclusion for real (rather than fooling herself)! So it is also just internally inconsistent

Any of those would have been so much more interesting and logical than what we got!

Just watched the last episode last night, and wow, I am angry! Killing Logan off in that way felt so cheap and manipulative. I don't really care if they're together or not, and their relationship certainly had its issues, but for him to die that way, right after their wedding, with no time to actually show any of the consequences of his death, just enough to show how traumatized Veronica is once again, made me furious. She deserves better! Even he deserves better!

On the whole, the thing that felt weirdest to me about this season is how little we saw anyone grieving. Mattie and her dad, Maloof's brother and his fiancee, even the father of the kid in the collar bomb: nobody seemed to be especially broken up about their losses. We saw a bit of Mattie grieving in the beginning, but she pretty quickly turned into a single-minded super-sleuth instead. It just seemed odd to me.

Meh. I'm mad. And, like Cindy, feeling like I'm done with VM. I don't feel any real desire to watch any new episodes. Maybe I'll change my mind with time, but I'm feeling pretty sour about it right now.

I love that Veronica as a character has huge issues. I really do. Because that hasn't traditionally been something media gives us in women protagonists. But she already had hella issues without blowing Logan up. That was super unnecessary. And if Rob Thomas thinks it's not possible to tell interesting stories about a married female PI, then he's more of a hack than I thought.

I love that Veronica as a character has huge issues. I really do. Because that hasn't traditionally been something media gives us in women protagonists. But she already had hella issues without blowing Logan up. That was super unnecessary. And if Rob Thomas thinks it's not possible to tell interesting stories about a married female PI, then he's more of a hack than I thought.

I can understand Rob not wanting Veronica tied down, and not wanting to tie her down specifically to a high school boyfriend. I mostly think if he wanted to kill Logan, the season should have been about his murder. Fans had no time to process it, and worse, had no time to see Veronica process it.

I think he sees puts her forth as a noir protagonist, but then he writes all the other (good) characters propping her up as a superhero. I think Keith even said that term in season four. There are no (real) heroes in noir, and she doesn't have to be one. You want a grown-up show, Rob? Write a noir story, not a Buffy-without-superpowers story.

Just watched the last episode last night, and wow, I am angry! Killing Logan off in that way felt so cheap and manipulative. I don't really care if they're together or not, and their relationship certainly had its issues, but for him to die that way, right after their wedding, with no time to actually show any of the consequences of his death, just enough to show how traumatized Veronica is once again, made me furious. She deserves better! Even he deserves better!

I'm sorry. It sucks to feel like that after such a long wait.

VM S4 is the kind of thing I want to remake entirely. I want to take his show from him and remake it.

If this were 15 years ago, we could rewrite it, like the Buffistas rewrote "Spiral."