Zoe: We're getting him back. Jayne: What are we gonna do, clone him?

'War Stories'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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tiggy - Dec 21, 2005 8:29:55 am PST #1527 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

i'm pretty sure Teddy and Percy are in less eps this year because they upped the amount of episodes Jason's in, but i wouldn't swear to that in a court of law.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 21, 2005 8:39:30 am PST #1528 of 5730
What is even happening?

Okay, I'm hoping to do a series of posts (with a little help from Buffy) about this blog entry: [link] "TV: We're losing ground and now is not the time for silence."

My first installment, which limits itself to the bloggers' points about race, is up: [link]


Topic!Cindy - Dec 21, 2005 8:39:58 am PST #1529 of 5730
What is even happening?

Thanks, tiggy.


Jon B. - Dec 21, 2005 9:02:01 am PST #1530 of 5730
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I can't make it all the way through that "critique". Is it ever mentioned that Duncan was also drugged when the "rape" happened? That's a crucial bit o' info that the writer conveniently leaves out.


tiggy - Dec 21, 2005 9:08:42 am PST #1531 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I have avoided the article up until now, but i just started reading it and i can't get any further than the second paragraph. why? i'll quote.

She has to fit into the same cookie cutter mode. Actually, it's a smaller mode these days. What you see on the big three networks? It's a smaller mode than what you would have seen in the seventies.

emphasis mine. i think the word they're going for here is mold. i have decided since it only took me two paragraphs to find something to nitpick that i'm not going to waste my time with the rest of it. no head thunking for me today, thanks!


Laura - Dec 21, 2005 9:31:00 am PST #1532 of 5730
Our wings are not tired.

I can't make it all the way through that "critique".

I tried a bit, but the grammar errors bugged me too much to continue. The mixed up pronouns and the use of the wrong words like tiggy mentioned, it just hurts my head too much to read.

Just a reminder of why I don't stray far from home.


Narrator - Dec 21, 2005 9:31:07 am PST #1533 of 5730
The evil is this way?

I have a screed (or rebuttal of same, I guess) in need of facts.

BadgesFacts? We don't need no stinkin' BadgesFacts!!! This is the internet!!!


Topic!Cindy - Dec 21, 2005 9:36:17 am PST #1534 of 5730
What is even happening?

I can't make it all the way through that "critique". Is it ever mentioned that Duncan was also drugged when the "rape" happened? That's a crucial bit o' info that the writer conveniently leaves out.
That is exactly the information which prompted me to respond to it at all. Then I reviewed the whole thing again today, and realized I was gonna need a bigger boat, which is why I'm doing the series of lj posts. No more than one of us should have to read through the whole thing AND try to respond. I'll link 'em here, as I make my way through the dross.

BadgesFacts? We don't need no stinkin' BadgesFacts!!! This is the internet!!!

Normally, you know I'm all over that, Narrator. But I do think the discussion of Wallace and Jackie, and the rape issue deserve serious consideration, even where the blog doesn't.


Steph L. - Dec 21, 2005 9:41:49 am PST #1535 of 5730
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Is it ever mentioned that Duncan was also drugged when the "rape" happened?

Is there a reason you put "rape" in quotes, Jon? Is it to indicate that it wasn't a "real rape"?

Within the context of the show, we see in the first episode the flashback where Veronica describes it as a rape when she goes to the police. So there's that.

Also, sex without consent is not "rape." Sex without consent is rape. It's not maybe-rape. Show me where Veronica said yes.


Gris - Dec 21, 2005 9:47:15 am PST #1536 of 5730
Hey. New board.

The implication of the show is that she consented, but didn't remember consenting (or, obviously, anything about the encounter) the next morning. Certainly, drugged!Duncan THOUGHT she was consenting, and the description provided by him, Carrie, and the (admittedly unreliable) flashbacks seems to show that she was rather happy with the situation when it happened. I'm not sure that qualifies as rape - to some extent, I believe intention matters.

I mean, the next morning Duncan was as unconsenting as Veronica was. Was he raped?