Look, Angel, I know you've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm still evil. I don't do errands...unless they're evil errands.

Lilah ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Burrell - Jan 12, 2012 7:00:53 pm PST #8317 of 10459
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I find Meyer and the whole Twilight phenom just baffling and fascinating. I mean, I guess that explains why her vampires are so devoid of appeal. They fail to awaken the uncanny.

And OK I really don't know enough about Mormonism to make the comparison, but from the little I do know, her vampires in the utterly ordinary ways, their mundane human concerns, do kind of fit with the Mormon vision of the afterlife what with the concerns about preserving marital ties into the hearafter.


DCJensen - Jan 12, 2012 7:01:24 pm PST #8318 of 10459
All is well that ends in pizza.

Mark's hatred of Twilight is epic, but I've never read any of his actual reviews, only seen him mention them during other reviews.


erikaj - Jan 13, 2012 6:41:26 am PST #8319 of 10459
Always Anti-fascist!

I think Meyer is full of shit with her "Oh, shucks, little ol' me just had a bad dream one night, sat down, and look what came out." Um, yeah. She wrote acres of that garbage...how long was she asleep?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 13, 2012 6:42:38 am PST #8320 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Perhaps she sleep-writes? That would explain the lack of sense-making.


erikaj - Jan 13, 2012 6:46:22 am PST #8321 of 10459
Always Anti-fascist!

maybe...


Liese S. - Jan 13, 2012 7:01:31 am PST #8322 of 10459
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I read them all, what with having the preteen students all obsessed with them and everything and yeah. Bad all around. But I also feel like at a certain level it's awful for everyone to slam them and everyone who likes them so harshly. I feel like for my vulnerable girls, they get aggressively marketed into liking something and then are ridiculed for liking it. Same thing with boy bands.


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2012 7:04:52 am PST #8323 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

at a certain level it's awful for everyone to slam them and everyone who likes them so harshly

I don't really believe in sparing anything just because a lot of people like it, even if it is a vulnerable market. They can like Hunger Games instead, you know?

I only mildly mocked the franchise until I saw one of the movies, and I was really grossed out by it, and now I'm vituperative on the topic. If that dissuades anyone from identifying too closely with what's going on *in a positive way*, I don't apologise.


Liese S. - Jan 13, 2012 7:08:10 am PST #8324 of 10459
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I mean, part of why I slam it myself is because it is SO BAD for them to be walking away with those messages. And yeah, I'm not saying anyone here is mocking preteen girls. But people do, and it makes me mad, too.


erikaj - Jan 13, 2012 7:08:15 am PST #8325 of 10459
Always Anti-fascist!

I think at the targeted age, I might have been a fan, at least of the first one. From where I sit now, I'm entertained by different things. I've also read a lot more books.


Kate P. - Jan 13, 2012 7:19:54 am PST #8326 of 10459
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I totally hear you, Liese. I had several discussions with librarian friends a few years back about how to discuss Twilight with the kids in our libraries who loved the books, when we ourselves thought they were so awful. (And they are. I have a whole rant. Terrible on multiple levels, and yet I can so easily see their appeal, too.) Generally I stuck with being honest but brief about my own feelings about the books ("I'm not crazy about them, but tell me why you like them"), and trying to encourage kids to think and talk about them. Sometimes the talk was just "Team Edward!!1!111!" but sometimes it went deeper, and was really interesting.