Mark's hatred of Twilight is epic, but I've never read any of his actual reviews, only seen him mention them during other reviews.

I think Meyer is full of shit with her "Oh, shucks, little ol' me just had a bad dream one night, sat down, and look what came out." Um, yeah. She wrote acres of that garbage...how long was she asleep?

Perhaps she sleep-writes? That would explain the lack of sense-making.

maybe...

I read them all, what with having the preteen students all obsessed with them and everything and yeah. Bad all around. But I also feel like at a certain level it's awful for everyone to slam them and everyone who likes them so harshly. I feel like for my vulnerable girls, they get aggressively marketed into liking something and then are ridiculed for liking it. Same thing with boy bands.

at a certain level it's awful for everyone to slam them and everyone who likes them so harshly

I don't really believe in sparing anything just because a lot of people like it, even if it is a vulnerable market. They can like Hunger Games instead, you know?

I only mildly mocked the franchise until I saw one of the movies, and I was really grossed out by it, and now I'm vituperative on the topic. If that dissuades anyone from identifying too closely with what's going on *in a positive way*, I don't apologise.

Yeah, I mean, part of why I slam it myself is because it is SO BAD for them to be walking away with those messages. And yeah, I'm not saying anyone here is mocking preteen girls. But people do, and it makes me mad, too.

I think at the targeted age, I might have been a fan, at least of the first one. From where I sit now, I'm entertained by different things. I've also read a lot more books.

I totally hear you, Liese. I had several discussions with librarian friends a few years back about how to discuss Twilight with the kids in our libraries who loved the books, when we ourselves thought they were so awful. (And they are. I have a whole rant. Terrible on multiple levels, and yet I can so easily see their appeal, too.) Generally I stuck with being honest but brief about my own feelings about the books ("I'm not crazy about them, but tell me why you like them"), and trying to encourage kids to think and talk about them. Sometimes the talk was just "Team Edward!!1!111!" but sometimes it went deeper, and was really interesting.

Sometimes the talk was just "Team Edward!!1!111!" but sometimes it went deeper, and was really interesting.

I'm curious now - what interesting things did they talk about regarding Twilight?

I'm well acquainted with this dynamic since a big theme of the Bubblegum book was that the genre didn't receive any critical respect because it was aimed at teenaged girls. From that I became quite aware that several things are happening with Bubblegum and Boy Bands that aren't immediately apparent.

For one thing, girls don't just consume that music passively (cf., Bandom). They're selective about what they take from it. Also, it's a way to negotiate ideas of intimacy which are important to them, and the standard cultural narratives don't work for them.