Well, he'd started actively doing good before then. He stopped doing evil when he got the soul, did the odd not-bad thing, was shocked out of a lapse into rat-eating by seeing the pre-pubescent Buffy, then started doing good acts with her. And then without her, charged by the PTB, and then working for Shanshu.
I'm with Ita, here. When Angel got his soul, he at the very least refrained from doing evil, which was a pretty big step up.
He failed pretty miserably to hook back up with Darla and co. in China, and couldn't bring himself to feed on humans. He enetered a long withdrawn period--including the short time being 'drafted' by the Navy and his allowing the people in the hotel to die in AYNOHYEB--eventually culminating in his Manilow loving days, wherein, in a moment of weakness, he fed on someone who was already dead. Presumably, that kicked him into his crazy, rat-eating days that Whistler found him in.
But on the whole, his shift toward good was largely self-driven.
I'm sure there's someone around FOX who's floated a Spike spin-off.
Hmm. If there's anyone left in Tinseltown who still thinks they can float a scripted show, do we think there's a chance of someone actually trying this? If--and it's only purely for idle surmising--someone not-ME did obtain permission to use the character and came up with a script for a pilot, would JM want to continue being Spike? If it wasn't an ME enterprise?
I have doubts that JM would want to do it without ME or Joss having any involvement. Can they do that without them, though? I'm not sure if Mutant Enemy has any ownership.
So they need to try a vampire themed reality show. They could have VAMPS - like COPS, they follow around vampires going after people with hand-held cameras at night. Unlike COPS, sometimes the camera men get eaten. Elimi-Stake: One male or female vampire goes on a date with four others - each round, the least desirable one is staked. Extreme Magical Makeover: participants get to be transformed into the mythological being of their choice. They then compete in both beauty and killing pageants.
I'm sure there's someone around FOX who's floated a Spike spin-off.
I think Spike was supposed to be on the Faith spinoff.
Can they do that without them, though?
I remember with the BtVS series, they had to give Joss the option of being involved first. But I think that, had he turned them down, they still could have made the show without him. He sold them the property.
Is is standard to have sold the property? Or do some creators "just" sell the episodes?
Is is standard to have sold the property?
Yep. I can't think of a single example otherwise. Once you sell a script, TV or feature, you lose most of the control. You still get the money but you don't get so much of a say. It's why there can be a DLM without Fuller and a TWW without Sorkin.
After a certain point, I think the rights to Buffy revert back to Joss. But I think that's probably a long way off.
Spike did love Drusilla, but that didn't keep him from killing other people.
It did make him help Buffy stop the world from ending.
Hmm, all this talk of vampires and their need to be sociable has given me a wild hair.
They're all just bits of the Vampire from back in Old Ones' days, yes? Maybe it wants to reunify somehow?
This should tie into the Wolf Ram and Hart somehow...
