My wank is this: he made a mystical voodoo wah-wah whatever contract with the Black Thorn. They no longer exist as an entity. No contract. The End.

I know that I made a "Illyria-hit-on-Gunn" comment during watch N post. I. was. kidding.

I know. I was actually talking about someone else's "easy on the eyes" misquote. But maybe she was hitting on him, it just wasn't the impression I got.

Yeah, I'm completely unconvinced that Angel has given up the chance of shanshu. When has messing with a prophecy been successful on this show? Ever?

I don't have a problem with him giving up shanshu. Because there's always another prophecy. And besides, Angel don't need no steenkin' prophecy to get his humanity back. Even W&H were able to give Darla her's back. It's an elaborate parlor trick.

Also it does resolve, at least for now, who shanshu is about. So the prophecy doesn't really get messed up.

Lorne is going to go off someplace and quietly drink himself to death, because he will never be able to reconcile his shooting Lindsey with who he thought he was.

The strange thing is, the promos for this episode spoil the shooting, yet I completely forgot about it when I was watching the scene. So I kinda knew it was going to happen, but it was still HSQ. If that makes sense.

And did Lorne do something to his hair? Because I found him oddly attractive in that last scene.

My wank is this: he made a mystical voodoo wah-wah whatever contract with the Black Thorn. They no longer exist as an entity. No contract. The End.

You'd think they'd have an heirs and assignees clause, wouldn't you?

I think they have no heirs and assignees, mystically.

It's kinda the reverse of Eve's contract. Which brings us back to Lilah's contract. They got some K mojo, yo!

Am I the only one who interpreted "You won't last ten minutes" as a reference to his ability to fight while wounded, rather than "in ten minutes your wounds will kill you"? Because it seemed to be a "Stay out of this one, you're too hurt to fight" sort of thing.

That's how it seemed to me, too. In fact, in my head Illyria knocks Gunn out and shoves him off to one side, so he doesn't *try* to fight.

But I'm also pretty convinced he willingly surrendered it (or thought he did) and that's all that matters to me, in a finale like Not Fade Away.

As Buffy didn't kill Angel in "Becoming 2," but she thought she did. It's the choice that matters.

Secondly, Illyria did not hit on Gunn. She said he was "not unpleasant in her eyes" which in Illyria-speak means, I like him as a friend. It is an indication that she's beginning to accept that she's part of their merry group and she even likes being around them. But any non-platonic feelings she may have had at that moment were about Wesley, not Gunn.

Unless, some of her Fred-memories are of Gunn, as they were a couple.

I was actually talking about someone else's "easy on the eyes" misquote. But maybe she was hitting on him, it just wasn't the impression I got.

I think that was my misquote, but all I said was, "I liked Illyria's comment to Gunn, about him being easy on the eyes." I didn't make any further comments or imply that she was hitting on him--just that I liked it. What was her actual quote (I wasn't trying to quote--just being gist-y), something about him not being unpleasant to her eyes?

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Still, Narrator makes a good point.

Am I the only one who interpreted "You won't last ten minutes" as a reference to his ability to fight while wounded, rather than "in ten minutes your wounds will kill you"?

I actually thought she was talking about his being mortally wounded. She started with, "You're fading ..." But, I like your interpretation better. So, perhaps I'll just go with it.

In Quotables, I quoted Illyria's line to Gunn as "Try not to die. You are not unpleasant to my eyes," which is what I heard on rewatch. (My parenthetical "truer words" is me talking about me, not a comment on Illyria hitting on Gunn, dontcha know). I actually think it was just a funny moment, regardless of whether there was actual flirtage. And I don't think that's what Wolfram is talking about, but I just wanted to clarify. Because ... I don't really know why.

I think that was my misquote, but all I said was, "I liked Illyria's comment to Gunn, about him being easy on the eyes." I didn't make any further comments or imply that she was hitting on him--just that I liked it. What was her actual quote (I wasn't trying to quote--just being gist-y), something about him not being unpleasant to her eyes?

I think it was not being unpleasant in her eyes. Which, IMO, is a world of difference from easy on the eyes. I guess I'm feeling a bit over-protective of my sweet, sweet Wesley. Le sigh.