Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.

'Never Leave Me'


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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


candyb - Sep 30, 2002 8:03:15 am PDT #19 of 1424

They may be like orcs from LotR or the Magogs from Andromeda.

But I don't think Joss will have a big glowy dark lord be an organized evil directing their activities.

River seems to have an extreme mystical sensitivity to them, which maybe hints at something more? Or just a plot device?


Suzanne B. - Sep 30, 2002 8:14:20 am PDT #20 of 1424
aka FOG

I think Joss is merging the western theme of "blood thirsty savages" with the freaks from Road Warrior/Mad Max or the Morloks from the Time Machine.

The Reavers have strayed from civilization and lost their humanity. The 13th Warrior was on TV last nite and that film deals with the same themes. A culture that does not view its self as human and preys upon human civilization.

I don't think that exact parallels, old west settlers vs. native, can be drawn.


Nutty - Sep 30, 2002 8:30:22 am PDT #21 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Especially considering how, in space and on newly-terraformed planets, there is no such things as 'natives'. At best, there's the conflict between we-were-here-first, leave-me-alone wildcatters and the legally-endowed, dominant-paradigm-perpetuating settlers. And cowboys-and-schoolteachers is a worthwhile conflict to study, but it doesn't carry the same connotations of racial/cultural conflict as cowboys-and-Indians.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 30, 2002 8:31:42 am PDT #22 of 1424
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

OK-- so who has read the pilot and wants to talk?


Megan E. - Sep 30, 2002 8:33:48 am PDT #23 of 1424

Is there a link to the pilot online?


P.M. Marc - Sep 30, 2002 8:35:28 am PDT #24 of 1424
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Me! Me!

Inara is so much less annoying in the pilot, and the tensions are higher, and...

Damn it.

Fox was on c-r-a-c-k


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2002 8:35:49 am PDT #25 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm with those that see a distinction between the Western genre (which has bloodthirsty attackers) and a depiction of the American West. Space Western only need draw from the former.

OTOH, I could see a Reaver story where we get the full "why" of it all. Which need not be as simple as what we've seen so far.

Megan -- it's where Shrift keeps her stuff.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 30, 2002 8:38:25 am PDT #26 of 1424
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I really! liked th pilot, although I was amused by the description of Kaylee as 'zaftig'-- although knowing Joss he really wanted zaftig and ended up with not-skinny.

The pilot explained TONS of stuff that I was confused about, and unless the acting was really bad, I don't see why they didn't air it. There was a ot of exposition, but alot of action, too.

Also, it explicates Jayne in a way I'm not sure I should share until more people have read it.


Megan E. - Sep 30, 2002 8:42:36 am PDT #27 of 1424

Megan -- it's where Shrift keeps her stuff.

I don't seem to have that bookmarked. Could someone send it to my profile address?


esse - Sep 30, 2002 8:47:35 am PDT #28 of 1424
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Shrift has it online? As in, the show?