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Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Megan E. - Sep 30, 2002 8:42:36 am PDT #27 of 1424

Megan -- it's where Shrift keeps her stuff.

I don't seem to have that bookmarked. Could someone send it to my profile address?


esse - Sep 30, 2002 8:47:35 am PDT #28 of 1424
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Shrift has it online? As in, the show?


Sophia Brooks - Sep 30, 2002 8:49:36 am PDT #29 of 1424
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

the script. I read it where rayne keeps the pdfs, though. I don't seem to have shrifts site marked either.


P.M. Marc - Sep 30, 2002 8:50:00 am PDT #30 of 1424
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

As in the words.


ted r - Sep 30, 2002 9:14:14 am PDT #31 of 1424
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

"Hmm - it is worth remembering that the Old West's more bloodthirsty American Indian tribes were fighting to recover stolen land. Not that it excuses the rapes and such, but more Indians were victims than were victimizers... Is it possible that in drawing these historical comparisons, Joss does not know any actual history? I thought he was a lit major of some sort, which usually involves learning some history as well?"

Well Joss may be drawing the reavers from earlier Native American history-before the whites arrived. There is evidence of attacks from cannibalistic bands on agricultural native tribes in the American southwest. I'm fuzzy on the details at this point (European history is more my home ground), and the evidence remains controversial among athropologists and historians, but The New Yorker ran an interesting article on the subject a couple of years ago as I recall. That is quite possibly where Joss got the idea.


Anne W. - Sep 30, 2002 9:24:01 am PDT #32 of 1424
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

IIRC, the Chaco Canyon area in the American southwest is where they've found skeletons that point to possible cannibalism.


Nutty - Sep 30, 2002 9:33:56 am PDT #33 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

You guys have never seen the movie How Tasty Was My Little Frenchman. It's Portuguese/Brazilian, and it's about the cannibal Tupi of coastal Brazil. And it's sort of affectionate; by the end it's clear that ritual cannibalism is regarded within the tribe as an honorable thing to be a victim of. Of course, the Tupi were all completely wiped out before 1650, so it's mostly conjecture.

But also, the Tupi weren't nihilists, and we've got evidence the Anasazi cooked what people they ate.


P.M. Marc - Sep 30, 2002 9:45:43 am PDT #34 of 1424
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

So, with the number of times Book mentions in the pilot that he's never married, think confirmed bachelor is a safe assumption? (We know that Companions are thought of highly, but what's the thought on homosexuality in the Fireflyverse?)


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 30, 2002 11:07:14 am PDT #35 of 1424
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Given the Old West themes, probably not very highly. dammit.


Typo Boy - Sep 30, 2002 11:13:13 am PDT #36 of 1424
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

On the other hand we have a badass woman fiighter? And they don't seem to be seen as Calamity Jane type exceptions. And woman engineers. In general , not nearly the gender inequality of the old west. Generally gender equality tends to go hand in hand with less repression against homosexualty. So we can assume great openess to HoYay, and to GayAndLesMarYay than the real old West -- until proven otherwise.